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    The Übermensch is someone who needs lonelyness and needs time for him alone to reflect. He doesn´t follow the mass.
    From Friedrich Nietzsche's point of view, it is the task of man to produce a type that is more highly developed than himself, so it also has a biological meaning, but Nietzsche didn´t knew much about races, in his lifetime theyre was no serious racial research.
    An overman is an “ideal person” who has outgrown or strives to exceed the ordinary life of a person who is considered normal and mostly negative.

    And Nietzsche never said, that germans or himself were Übermenschen!
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    Your threads recently attract me in particular. I fully adopt the ideal of something greater in a personal pursue of knowledges, but I do not think that to be ubermanschen is that important, it is a kind of inherent illusion of ignorance. In the beginning all men are ignorant but from this moment on, we develop different sorts of illusion and weakness, and this divergent faults persist untill the end of days. It would be a form of self-grandeur just to think once we die each one would be the meat for different tag of prices for different type of restaurants for greater beings, and there will be Michelins and ordinary bistros. I set a final disillusionment that we will all die the same sort of meat, regardlessly to what you believe in. Humanity is full of self-grandeur, yet lacks disillusionment, even death can not cure this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batavia View Post
    Nietzsche didn´t knew much about races, in his lifetime theyre was no serious racial research.
    What??? Johann Blumenbach classified the five basal races just a generation before Nietzsche was writing his books. He practically lived in the height of racial awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batavia View Post
    And Nietzsche never said, that germans or himself were Übermenschen!
    Given Nietzsche's regard for himself, it would be funny if he never considered himself to be at least half Übermensch. At least he wrote that Zarathustra represented the type of Übermensch, and the character of Zarathustra was similar to Nietzsche himself. From Ecce Homo (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/52190/52190-0.txt):

    The word "Superman," which designates a type of man that would be one of nature's rarest and luckiest strokes, as opposed to "modern" men, to "good" men, to Christians and other Nihilists,--a word which in the mouth of Zarathustra, the annihilator of morality, acquires a very profound meaning,--is understood almost everywhere, and with perfect innocence, in the light of those values to which a flat contradiction was made manifest in the figure of Zarathustra--that is to say, as an "ideal" type, a higher kind of man, half "saint" and half "genius."

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    See how Zarathustra goes down from the mountain and speaks the kindest words to every one! See with what delicate fingers he touches his very adversaries, the priests, and how he suffers with them from themselves! Here, at every moment, man is overcome, and the concept "Superman" becomes the greatest reality,--out of sight, almost far away beneath him, lies all that which heretofore has been called great in man. The halcyonic brightness, the light feet, the presence of wickedness and exuberance throughout, and all that is the essence of the type Zarathustra, was never dreamt of before as a prerequisite of greatness. In precisely these limits of space and in this accessibility to opposites Zarathustra feels himself the _highest of all living things_: and when you hear how he defines this highest, you will give up trying to find his equal.

    Even in the case that the Nazis didn't get the concept of the Übermensch from Nietzsche, Hitler was still a fan of Nietzsche. Hitler gave Mussolini a 24-volume set of Nietzsche's books as a gift for his sixtieth birthday (http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web_dl.pdf):

    Mussolini had still not been found by the Führer's agents. All that was known was that he was still alive, because Hitler's sixtieth birthday gift to him - a twenty-four-volume set of Nietzsche - was duly acknowledged by the deposed dictator.

    In Hitler's Table Talk, there are two different passages where Kant, Nietzsche, and Schopenhauer are given as examples of great German thinkers, but in the other passage, it is said that Schopenhauer has been far surpassed by Nietzsche (https://archive.org/details/HitlersTableTalk_1941_1944):

    In our parts of the world, the Jews would have immediately eliminated Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Kant. If the Bol- sheviks had dominion over us for two hundred years, what works of our past would be handed on to posterity? Our great men would fall into oblivion, or else they'd be presented to future generations as criminals and bandits.

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    In the Great Hall of the Linz Library are the busts of Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, the greatest of our thinkers, in comparison with whom the British, the French and the Americans have nothing to offer. His complete refutation of the teachings which were a heritage from the Middle Ages, and of the dogmatic philosophy of the Church, is the greatest of the services which Kant has rendered to us. It is on the foundation of Kant's theory of knowledge that Schopenhauer built the edifice of his philosophy, and it is Schopenhauer who anni- hilated the pragmatism of Hegel. I carried Schopenhauer's works with me throughout the whole of the first World War. From him I learned a great deal. Schopenhauer's pessimism, which springs partly, I think, from his own line ofphilosophical thought and partly from subjective feeling and the experiences of his own personal life, has been far surpassed by Nietzsche.

    I don't know if Hitler's Table Talk is genuine, but at least David Irving said that it is: https://worldtruthvideos.website/wat...Rj4oAp9Yy.html, time 49:25.

    One thing that Hitler may have gotten from Nietzsche is his hatred of Christianity, because in Hitler's Table Talk, he speaks of Christianity in very Nietzschean terms (in case that the Table Talk actually represents the words of Hitler). And Nietzsche wrote that his Übermensch was "opposed to 'modern' men, to 'good' men, to Christians and other Nihilists".
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    Nietzschean Übermensch is somewhat like Dionysus: "It seems to me that you would want to destroy humans".
    - Why not if that would result in something higher?"

    It certainly has something to do about creating a better begotten human being, just as farmers want a better begotten animal, or peasants better begotten planst. The difference is just in the fact that superman is not creating them in order to eat them but just like the father creates his son: to have better performances.

    I mentioned the peasant because it is also called "agriCULTURE".

    We want to be able to predict the conditions under which a stronger and more powerful human could arise if we remove the parasites and primitive wild humans around him. That is superhumanly! To apply the rules of humanism!

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    If you want to know what an actual Ubermensch is, look up Cesare Borgia.

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