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    Interesting to see regional Hungarian averages on G25, I always thought this group was greatly underrepresented with individual samples. I wonder what was the reasoning behind these specific regional categories and also on how many individuals are they based? I excluded South Magyar since consensus seems to be it's rather fishy:

    Target: Dunai
    Distance: 1.5091% / 0.01509118
    66.8 West_Magyar
    23.2 Northeast_Magyar
    6.6 German
    3.4 Ancient_Magyar

    1. Yamnaya 47.2%
    2. Anatolia 39.0%
    3. WHG 11.6%
    4. Han 2.2%

    1. Pannonian 67.5%
    2. Northwestern European 24.1%
    3. Alpine 5.5%
    4. South Siberian 2.9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    added Magyar:n4

    Target: OSZK
    Distance: 2.6196% / 0.02619558 | R3P
    51.0 Orcadian
    39.0 Magyar:n4
    10.0 South_Magyar
    Looks good. What happens when you remove that South Magyar sample?

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    very cool now me and my mom plot both closest to the Hungarian average:

    Distance to: cb_scaled
    0.02647561 Magyar:Average_n4_without_SouthMagyar
    0.02806575 Hungarian
    0.03014482 Croatian
    0.03090761 Austrian
    0.03245397 Slovenian
    0.03250972 Bosnian
    0.03346196 Moldovan
    0.03464082 Slovakian
    0.03521132 Montenegrin
    0.03663254 Moldovan_o
    0.03769060 Czech
    0.03869793 Serbian
    0.04199252 German
    0.04227164 Romanian
    0.04513677 German_East
    0.04672535 Afrikaner
    0.04690457 French_Alsace
    0.04953846 Belgian
    0.04958241 French_Nord
    0.04968293 Polish
    0.04995973 Ukrainian
    0.05073781 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.05083775 Bulgarian
    0.05149755 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.05165237 French_Pas-de-Calais


    Distance to: Imre_scaled
    0.01772148 Magyar:Average_n4_without_SouthMagyar
    0.01940238 Austrian
    0.02146780 Croatian
    0.02185646 Montenegrin
    0.02209248 Serbian
    0.02346945 Hungarian
    0.02374433 Bosnian
    0.02392180 Slovenian
    0.02396000 Moldovan
    0.02592467 Romanian
    0.02903261 French_Alsace
    0.03343338 German
    0.03359739 French_Nord
    0.03423200 Swiss_German
    0.03520436 Italian_Northeast
    0.03541309 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03609941 Belgian
    0.03614522 Bulgarian
    0.03761440 Czech
    0.03770652 German_East
    0.03953535 Afrikaner
    0.04013074 French_Paris
    0.04154655 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04176544 French_Provence
    0.04179909 French_Auvergne

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    Quote Originally Posted by 17571imre View Post
    very cool now me and my mom plot both closest to the Hungarian average
    The new average looks legit. It is a bit southern-shifted, when compared the original G25 Hungarian average:

    Target: Magyar:n4
    Distance: 0.9239% / 0.00923923 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    62.6 Hungarian
    30.8 Montenegrin
    6.6 Croatian

    --------------------

    My father's theoretical coordinates score it #1!

    Distance to: Mr.G_dad_scaled
    0.02821376 Magyar:n4
    0.03019397 Hungarian
    0.03205536 Moldovan
    0.03248467 Bosnian
    0.03316610 Austrian
    0.03415198 Croatian
    0.03592681 Montenegrin
    0.03617111 Slovenian
    0.03772275 Serbian
    0.03992761 Czech
    0.04048704 Moldovan_o
    0.04126225 Romanian
    0.04226812 German
    0.04317466 Slovakian
    0.04467710 Afrikaner
    0.04503965 German_East
    0.04563156 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04591882 French_Alsace
    0.04867056 Belgian
    0.04884155 French_Nord
    0.04904554 Bulgarian
    0.05016175 Dutch
    0.05108077 Swiss_German
    0.05453497 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.05476285 French_Paris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    The new average looks legit. It is a bit southern-shifted, when compared the original G25 Hungarian average:

    Target: Magyar:n4
    Distance: 0.9239% / 0.00923923 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    62.6 Hungarian
    30.8 Montenegrin
    6.6 Croatian

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    My father's theoretical coordinates score it #1!

    Distance to: Mr.G_dad_scaled
    0.02821376 Magyar:n4
    0.03019397 Hungarian
    0.03205536 Moldovan
    0.03248467 Bosnian
    0.03316610 Austrian
    0.03415198 Croatian
    0.03592681 Montenegrin
    0.03617111 Slovenian
    0.03772275 Serbian
    0.03992761 Czech
    0.04048704 Moldovan_o
    0.04126225 Romanian
    0.04226812 German
    0.04317466 Slovakian
    0.04467710 Afrikaner
    0.04503965 German_East
    0.04563156 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04591882 French_Alsace
    0.04867056 Belgian
    0.04884155 French_Nord
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    0.05108077 Swiss_German
    0.05453497 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.05476285 French_Paris
    Interestingly with the "mysterious" South Magyar it was better for me.
    That "4 population" Magyar sample would be my third closest one, while the "5 population" sample would be my closest sample.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári View Post
    Interestingly with the "mysterious" South Magyar it was better for me.
    That "4 population" Magyar sample would be my third closest one, while the "5 population" sample would be my closest sample.
    I took a look at Magyar South on the Custom Vahaduo PCA, and it is definitely an outlier on that one when compared to the other 4 (W,C,E, & NE Magyar). Regardless, it's most interesting that the n5 is closer to you, the South Magyar sample clearly pulls the average toward you.
    Last edited by Mr.G; 10-28-2021 at 03:29 PM.

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    I'm looking at Magyar South on the various Vahaduo European PCA's (versus the custom one), and it does not seem like such an outlier on those, not compared to how it looks on the Custom PCA anyway. Very curious.
    Last edited by Mr.G; 10-28-2021 at 03:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    I´ve just read you, here you have:

    Code:
    Magyar:Average_n4_without_SouthMagyar,0.1278178,0.1313748,0.0448383,0.0323920,0.0383578,0.0126790,0.0044893,0.0068388,0.0037880,-0.0036415,-0.0024915,-0.0015618,0.0024800,0.0074018,-0.008272,0.0028235,0.0033868,-0.0011105,0.0049178,-0.0006908,-0.0056255,0.0004058,0.0066685,0.0012138,0.0013895
    Target: Magyar:Average_n4_without_SouthMagyar
    Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000018

    25.0 Central_Magyar
    25.0 East_Magyar
    25.0 Northeast_Magyar
    25.0 West_Magyar

    Distance to: Magyar:Average_n4_without_SouthMagyar
    0.01300147 Croatian
    0.01418016 Hungarian
    0.01809523 Slovenian
    0.01853939 Bosnian
    0.01932035 Austrian
    0.02217955 Moldovan
    0.02446604 Montenegrin
    0.02472820 Serbian
    0.02741342 Czech
    0.03153257 German
    0.03156706 German_East
    0.03254232 Romanian
    0.03315993 Slovakian
    0.03571576 Moldovan_o
    0.03605156 French_Alsace
    0.03753911 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03937536 Afrikaner
    0.03939744 French_Nord
    0.04054152 Swiss_German
    0.04093879 Belgian
    0.04218746 Bulgarian
    0.04460478 Polish
    0.04532483 Italian_Northeast
    0.04580708 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04600271 Dutch
    Gixajo, could you averagize the scaled Hungarian individual samples for us? I am curious how close i would be to that combined Hungarian sample.

    Hungarian:HungarianC5,0.129758,0.131003,0.059208,0 .048773,0.031083,0.013108,0.00564,0.016615,0.00859 ,-0.012028,-0.004222,-0.006145,0,0.021056,-0.006379,-0.009149,-0.003912,-0.002534,0.006034,-0.006753,-0.00287,0.00136,0.002958,0.003615,-0.002874
    Hungarian:HungarianD1,0.129758,0.132019,0.040729,0 .019057,0.033852,0.005857,0.008225,0.004384,-0.005318,-0.006925,0.001299,0.003597,0.006987,0.017478,-0.001493,-0.009812,-0.008736,-0.000253,0.004399,-0.010255,0.001248,-0.007543,0.00493,0.001566,0.003353
    Hungarian:HungarianE5,0.132035,0.122879,0.058077,0 .035853,0.031698,0.013945,0.000235,0.000462,0.0024 54,0.005103,-0.002111,-0.005095,0.002081,0.001376,-0.001629,-0.001061,-0.003651,-0.002534,0.008045,-0.005378,-0.002371,-0.000495,0.005176,-0.001928,-0.007185
    Hungarian:HungarianH3,0.122929,0.125926,0.050157,0 .041344,0.045855,0.01757,-0.000235,0.007846,0.004295,-0.000547,-0.00341,-0.00015,0.007284,0.008257,-0.008007,0.005171,-0.001304,-0.002407,0.006034,0.00075,-0.009982,0.005564,0.015776,-0.000964,0.007065
    Hungarian:NA15199,0.120652,0.133034,0.053928,0.038 114,0.040007,0.008646,0.018096,0.010384,0.002045,-0.007836,0.00341,-0.003597,0.001635,0.003441,-0.000679,0.003845,0.004172,-0.006081,-0.002891,-0.007754,-0.006114,0.007048,0.002711,-0.000361,0.001317
    Hungarian:NA15200,0.127482,0.13405,0.067505,0.0384 37,0.038469,0.013108,0.00423,0.003461,0.006954,-0.005467,-0.002761,-0.012589,0.013379,0.006606,-0.006243,0.005569,0.009909,0,-0.002891,0.002876,0.002745,0.002349,0.005916,0.005 784,-0.000479
    Hungarian:NA15201,0.125205,0.127957,0.046386,0.035 853,0.038161,0.005578,0.001645,0.003461,-0.001023,-0.003645,-0.007145,-0.001049,0.000446,0.008945,-0.003529,-0.000265,0,-0.004561,0.010182,-0.001626,-0.003369,0.004575,-0.000123,0.000964,-0.00479
    Hungarian:NA15202,0.121791,0.129988,0.065242,0.041 021,0.037238,0.020359,0.012221,0.010153,0.003477,-0.00328,-0.002273,0.007943,0.001635,0.001239,0.002714,-0.001193,-0.010952,0.005574,0.003268,0.004627,-0.000125,0.008408,0.004683,0.008194,-0.002155
    Hungarian:NA15203,0.122929,0.129988,0.056945,0.038 437,0.040007,0.016176,0.00564,0.007384,-0.000614,-0.005649,0.003573,-0.003897,0.001487,0.015689,-0.007193,-0.00305,-0.004172,0,-0.001006,-0.002876,-0.006863,0.003586,0.004437,-0.008435,0.004431
    Hungarian:NA15204,0.120652,0.122879,0.049403,0.030 362,0.03416,0.010319,0.002115,0.006,0.006136,-0.015126,0.00406,-0.005545,0.00669,0.013762,-0.0038,-0.000133,0.002347,-0.000253,0.007039,-5e-04,-0.003619,-0.003091,-0.001109,0.00253,0.000599
    Hungarian:NA15205,0.132035,0.132019,0.067127,0.042 959,0.036007,0.015618,0.015041,0.006923,-0.005727,-0.000911,-0.005359,-0.004646,0.004162,0.003028,-0.015336,-0.003447,-0.005346,0.002027,0.003645,0.000375,-0.007237,-0.005441,0.010846,0.005904,0.001796
    Hungarian:NA15206,0.12862,0.129988,0.053174,0.0293 93,0.041546,0.014781,0.008695,0.012692,-0.000409,-0.004374,0.00682,-0.001049,-0.00446,-0.005092,0.002714,-0.000663,-0.003912,0.005321,-0.003771,0.002251,0.000499,0.002102,0.000246,0.009 158,0.007903
    Hungarian:NA15207,0.134311,0.123895,0.050534,0.033 592,0.026466,0.010598,0.01081,0.002769,-0.000409,-0.005285,-0.007795,-0.000899,0.003865,0.008945,-0.006515,0.00716,0.021513,-0.002407,-0.004148,0.003752,-0.005241,-0.005688,0.009244,0.00482,-0.003952
    Hungarian:NA15208,0.130897,0.139128,0.056568,0.036 822,0.034776,0.001394,0.000235,0.012923,0.008385,0 .000547,-0.004709,-0.004946,0.008771,0.017753,-0.005836,0.008751,0.002868,0.00266,0.003142,0.0020 01,-0.003993,0.006677,0.011709,0.006868,0.001676


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    Hi guys ! iam the creator to the unscaled version . The sout_Magyar is very mixed (could be wrong) South_Magyar=Hungarian+(much)SerbCroat+and one component but i dont remember
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    3 Croatian + Croatian + Kargopol_Russian + South_Dutch @ 2.006309
    4 Austrian + Austrian + Kargopol_Russian + Moldavian @ 2.006731
    5 French + Kargopol_Russian + Moldavian + South_Polish @ 2.019629

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    Hi guys ! iam the creator to the unscaled version . The sout_Magyar is very mixed (could be wrong) South_Magyar=Hungarian+(much)SerbCroat+and one component but i dont remember
    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle :
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    5 French + Kargopol_Russian + Moldavian + South_Polish @ 2.019629

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