Why is Y-Haplogroup E very rare in South Asia/Indian Subcontinent

[VikLevaPatel]

I'm at a loss here.

Pamjav et al. (2011) observed that Haplogroup J is common in India, but E is very rare. WHY?

And in their study on the Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1*, Sharma et al. (2009) find that Y-haplogroup E occurs only among the Gujarati Brahmins.

Isn't India supposed to be a land of great diversities and contrasts

Considering also that EV13 can be considered as the most elite haplogroup: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ite-haplogroup

See Also: https://archive.md/fQC8y#selection-721.0-721.202

Don't forget Hitler; All the classical Greek philosophers, mathematicians and inventors; the classical Egyptian Pharohs and builders; The classical Romans and Italian Renaissance artists and scientists.

Possibly also the ancient Egyptian Pharohs, Roman Caesars and Jewish civil leaders. How many original apostles and early Christians as well, I wonder. Frightening that such a small minority of the human population should affect so much of Western History.

[zebruh]

Haplogroup j2 is likely the rare one in india.
Haplogroup j1 is probably the common one in india.

[VikLevaPatel]

Haplogroup j2 is likely the rare one in india.
Haplogroup j1 is probably the common one in india.

There's a Gujarati Brahmin and a Gujarati "Patel" over at Anthrogenica who both carry the same Y-DNA (P): J-L26

https://archive.md/A2Rn8

[Adamm]

It was probably easier to expand into Europe for E Africans than towards the Indus Valley, the middle east was in ancient times a stronger barrier maybe? Ancient civilizations were organized and strong in the middle east unlike Europe where urban centers weren't a thing yet, mostly limited to small farmer villages and semi-hunter gatherer lifestyles, taking all this into consideration it was probably easier for E-M78 to disperse into Europe instead of going into the middle east and beyond.

[The.fighter]

Outside of Africa and Europe, it only has a presence in Israel, Turkey, and Jordan, and no presence in the rest of the Middle East and Central and South Asia.

[Dr_Maul]

Why would it even be common... Indians are mix of native/andaman (O and D?) + Iran N (J2, R2, H) + Steppe (R1) none of which had E haplo... maybe a handful of Muslim Indians who happen to be middle eastern descent would have a chance for it

[VikLevaPatel]

Greeks themselves here in Australia have told me that I "look Greek", so I will wait and see what my exact E subclade is.

I got hit with a 7 day ban on Anthrogenica possibly for including this quote from another Greek:

Hopefully, the results from 23andMe and others will pinpoint the specific E subclade. I'm guessing it could be E-V13. I don't know, but I've been told by Greeks themselves that I "look Greek," and this guy even went so far as to say (sometime back in the '90s), that "Greek sperm" had travelled all the way to South Asia / Indian Subcontinent. Ah! Yes! his own words. Each in his own words, of course. But then again, I've also been asked, 'Are you from Afghanistan, sir?' The question was asked by the Indian owner (he himself was from Delhi) of an Indian movie rental store in Harris Park ('Little India') almost immediately after I stepped into the store. He seriously believed that I was from Afghanistan.

https://archive.md/KroCN#selection-2283.0-2303.237

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According to this chart, Pathans are 65-70% European.

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My own FTDNA autosomal DNA results are 77 percent Ancient European (67 percent Metal Age Invader and 10 percent Early Farmer) and 23 percent non-European.

The FTDNA specialist, in fact, mentioned the term 'Indo-European' when I discussed my autosomal results with him. I expect similar autosomal results from DNA Diagnostics Center (DDC) Cincinnati. Although their BioGeographical Ancestry (BGA) Test divides a person's Ancestral origins in terms of the major population groups (e.g., European, East Asian, sub-Saharan African, Indigenous American, etc.).

E-V13 have also been used in studies seeking to find evidence of a remaining Greek presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan, going back to the time of Alexander the Great.

[VikLevaPatel]

Surprise! Surprise! Haplogroup E is not included in this list of Indian haplogroups (Arvind Rangaswamy, Story of Haplogroup G in India, 2019):

The genographic data that has been compiled in the past few years by many researchers have already made the following clear:

The Indian patrilineal pool is very diverse and cuts across language, caste, tribe, and religion. There are more than 24 different haplogroups present in India (C, D, F*, G, H*, H1, H2, J2*, K*, K2, L, L1, O*, O2a, O2a1, O3, O3e, P*, R*, R1, R1a, R1a1, R1b3, R2). On the other hand, the Indian mitochondrial DNA pool (female ancestry) falls pretty much into just three types (M, R, U), attesting to how closely related all Indians are to each other (http://www.ebc.ee/EVOLUTSIOON/public...isild2003a.pdf)

So much for their supposed or alleged diversity.

A report by Indian Genome Variation Consortium suggests that though India harbors higher genetic diversity compared to various worldwide populations, Indian populations exhibit low levels of genetic differentiation. Interestingly, comparison with 129 worldwide populations showed genetic affinity of the Indian populations with few populations from Europe and Levantine.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...78#post7335878

The Indian Y-chromosome pool may be summarized as follows where haplogroups R1a, H, R2, L & NOP comprise generally more than 80% of the total chromosomes.

• H ∼ 30%
• R1a ∼ 20%
• R2 ∼ 15%
• L ∼ 10%
• NOP ∼ 10% (Excluding R)
• Other Haplogroups 15%

https://www.google.com/books/edition...sec=frontcover

Haplogroup-prediction-using-Whit-Atheys-haplogroup-predictor-tool-Each-of-the-pie-chart.jpeg

R1a, H and L were the major haplogroups present throughout the country and accounted for more than three-fourths of the Y lineages.

Haplogroup R1a in Eurasia: https://www.longdom.org/open-access/...41-1000150.pdf
A prehistory of Indian Y chromosomes: https://www.pnas.org/content/103/4/843
The Geographic Origins of Ethnic Groups in the Indian Subcontinent: https://archive.md/l8ZAW
Deep common ancestry of Indian and western-Eurasian mitochondrial DNA lineages: https://archive.md/eTTsh#selection-1087.0-1087.137

[tipirneni]

Haplogroup j2 is likely the rare one in india.
Haplogroup j1 is probably the common one in india.

J2a common in Neolithic groups in India from Iran Farmer lineage. It is present among tribals and some castes all over India probably 10-20% percent out of whole 2B South Asians including J2b2.
J2b2 is also present high among tribals and castes. It is said to be some ancient time movement into India.
J1 is rare in India. it is present only among recent muslim populations

[tipirneni]

Surprise! Surprise! Haplogroup E is not included in this list of Indian haplogroups (Arvind Rangaswamy, Story of Haplogroup G in India, 2019):



So much for their supposed or alleged diversity.

A report by Indian Genome Variation Consortium suggests that though India harbors higher genetic diversity compared to various worldwide populations, Indian populations exhibit low levels of genetic differentiation. Interestingly, comparison with 129 worldwide populations showed genetic affinity of the Indian populations with few populations from Europe and Levantine.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...78#post7335878


https://www.google.com/books/edition...sec=frontcover

Haplogroup-prediction-using-Whit-Atheys-haplogroup-predictor-tool-Each-of-the-pie-chart.jpeg

R1a, H and L were the major haplogroups present throughout the country and accounted for more than three-fourths of the Y lineages.

Haplogroup R1a in Eurasia: https://www.longdom.org/open-access/...41-1000150.pdf
A prehistory of Indian Y chromosomes: https://www.pnas.org/content/103/4/843
The Geographic Origins of Ethnic Groups in the Indian Subcontinent: https://archive.md/l8ZAW
Deep common ancestry of Indian and western-Eurasian mitochondrial DNA lineages: https://archive.md/eTTsh#selection-1087.0-1087.137

Haplogroup E is rare in India found in Swat valley during Late Bronze Age. Those people all probably driven to extinction by incoming R1a-Y7 Aryan groups