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Thread: Large-Scale Migration into Southern Britain During the Middle to Late Bronze Age

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    vs all ancient samples

    Distance to: Creoda_scaled
    0.01971228 Celtic_paper:I11993
    0.02018121 VK2020_NOR_Mid_MA:VK117
    0.02026874 Celtic_paper:I19654
    0.02031459 England_IA:I0160
    0.02046513 Scotland_LBA:I2860
    0.02138318 Celtic_paper:I11149
    0.02179358 Celtic_paper:I14104

    0.02185548 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK123
    0.02208366 Celtic_paper:I20623
    0.02219334 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA:VK183
    0.02234078 Celtic_paper:I14108
    0.02239764 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
    0.02256107 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK234
    0.02268167 Celtic_paper:I16422
    0.02316755 Celtic_paper:I14099

    0.02329942 VK2020_NOR_North_VA:VK528
    0.02336719 Celtic_paper:I19874
    0.02360302 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ4
    0.02401730 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA:VK257
    0.02422464 Celtic_paper:I20631
    0.02444434 Celtic_paper:I13713

    0.02484698 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK111
    0.02486849 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK110
    0.02496492 Celtic_paper:I14809
    0.02500727 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK238
    0.02516333 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK245
    0.02522336 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK242
    0.02536781 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA:VK29
    0.02550895 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA:VK190
    0.02551629 Celtic_paper:I12771
    0.02566547 Celtic_paper:I21309

    0.02572689 VK2020_England_Oxford_VA:VK173
    0.02577302 Celtic_paper:I13714
    0.02606205 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK102
    0.02624609 England_MBA:I7573
    0.02644937 Celtic_paper:I13717
    0.02645956 Celtic_paper:I19042
    0.02650647 Celtic_paper:I5502
    0.02651408 Celtic_paper:I13680
    0.02652216 Celtic_paper:I13685

    0.02652620 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
    0.02661006 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK236
    0.02669850 Celtic_paper:I12778
    0.02676697 Celtic_paper:I3568

    0.02680527 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK201
    0.02683603 VK2020_Faroes_EM:VK25
    0.02691668 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK368
    0.02692382 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA:VK230
    0.02698138 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK289
    0.02699135 Celtic_paper:I19911

    Target: Creoda_scaled
    Distance: 0.4202% / 0.00420190
    73.2 Celtic_paper
    6.4 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    5.0 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA
    4.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    4.2 VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA
    2.8 VK2020_NOR_Mid_MA
    2.2 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA
    1.4 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA
    0.4 ITA_Collegno_MA

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    I don't see the French/Celtic DNA in these samples...they look remarkably Northern European

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    Quote Originally Posted by JQP4545 View Post
    I don't see the French/Celtic DNA in these samples...they look remarkably Northern European
    These samples are going to be mostly from Britain, with many also from the Bronze Age, so they ought to be mostly Northern European looking.

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    A tally of the closest modern populations for each sample:

    Albanian - 2
    Afrikaner - 6
    Austrian - 4
    Basque French - 5
    Basque Spanish - 11
    Belgian - 1
    Czech - 1
    Danish - 12
    Darginian - 2
    Dutch - 13
    English - 3
    English_Cornwall - 25
    French_Alsace - 8
    French_Auvergne - 10
    French_Brittany - 78
    French Corsica - 5
    French_Nord - 11
    French Occitanie - 23
    French Paris - 5
    French_Pas de Calais - 31
    French_Provence - 1
    French_Seine_Maritime - 3
    French South - 1
    German - 17
    German East - 7
    Greek Thessaly - 1
    Hungarian - 1
    Icelandic - 32
    Ingrian - 1
    Irish - 54
    Italian_Aosta - 5
    Italian_Bergamo - 4
    Italian_Lombardy - 6
    Italian Northeast - 6
    Italian Piedmont - 1
    Italian_Trentino - 16
    Italian_Veneto - 6
    Lithuanian - 3
    Moldovan - 1
    Montenegrin - 1
    Mordva Erzya - 1
    Norwegian - 50
    Orcadian - 85
    Polish - 3
    Romanian - 1
    Rumelia East - 1
    Russian Kursk - 1
    Sardinian - 51
    Scottish - 6
    Shetlandic - 2
    Slovakian - 2
    Sorb - 1
    Spanish Asturias - 1
    Spanish_Barcelones - 9
    Spanish_Catalunya - 6
    Spanish La Rioja - 7
    Spanish Pais Vasco - 1
    Spanish_Penedes - 2
    Spanish_Soria - 7
    Spanish_Terres de_l'Elbre - 2
    Swedish - 26
    Swiss_French - 8
    Swiss_German - 10
    Tajik - 1
    Udmurt - 1
    Ukrainian - 1
    Welsh - 35

    More broadly:

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    French - 171
    Scottish - 93 (overwhelmingly Orcadian)
    Irish - 54
    Sardinian - 51
    Norwegian - 50
    Italian - 44
    Spanish - 35
    Welsh - 35
    Icelandic - 32
    Swedish - 26
    Cornish - 25
    German - 24
    Swiss - 18
    Basque - 16
    Dutch - 13
    Danish - 12
    Afrikaner - 6
    Corsican - 5
    Austrian - 4
    English - 3
    Lithuanian - 3
    Polish - 3
    Albanian - 2
    Darginian - 2
    Slovakian - 2
    Belgian - 1
    Czech - 1
    Greek - 1
    Hungarian - 1
    Ingrian - 1
    Moldovan - 1
    Montenegrin - 1
    Erzya - 1
    Romanian - 1
    Rumelia - 1
    Russian - 1
    Sorb - 1
    Tajik - 1
    Udmurt - 1
    Ukrainian - 1
    What's conspicuous is how few are closest to English, even though most of the samples are I assume from England. An indication of how dissimilar modern English are from Celtic Britons. My guess is that most of the Scandinavian-like samples are from Bronze Age Britain/France, the Italian-like samples are from the Alpine region/Central Europe, and Iron Age Britons are of course the ones most similar to modern Insular Celts and Bretons

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    Fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.S. View Post









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    These should be the samples from France





    and these from The Netherlands

    Last edited by Ajeje Brazorf; 11-08-2021 at 12:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Yes makes sense. There is that North Dutch/South Dutch divide in genetics also.
    Do we know whether those replacements / shifts were peaceful or not? Or maybe it also had something to do with a much faster population growth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    These should be the samples from France





    and these from The Netherlands

    Thank you for the Gallic averaged G25 posted on AG.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J.S. View Post
    Thank you for the Gallic averaged G25 posted on AG.

    This is the one

    Code:
    Gallic_scaled,0.128532615,0.140455538,0.055944423,0.028821538,0.044173808,0.009965,0.000325308,0.002848962,0.012460231,0.018805385,-0.001711269,0.007821962,-0.015111962,-0.010962192,0.013488615,0.001764346,-0.006464038,0.003664231,0.002982885,-0.000182731,0.002759577,0.003329038,-0.003086,-0.004134038,-0.000667769

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