Are Ashkenazis as really Levantine as they say they are?

[Meerkat]

She looks typically french here...let alone south european phenotypes. You clearly don't know much about europeans focus on croatia next time.



"gracile jewish/southern" even jewish members would say you're going too far

Yeah she doesn't look typical of any Jewish group to me tbh. She doesn't look super out of the ordinary for an Ashkenazi but she's still not common looking for us.

[Hamilcar]

They are a Middle Eastern population. A large part live there and they originate there. Doesn't matter how they look or that a large part of their ancestry is European.

They aren't except mizrahim.

Would you consider ethiopian or indian jews to be middle eastern too ?

[TheForeigner]

They aren't except mizrahim.

Would you consider ethiopian or indian jews to be middle eastern too ?

We don't even have a term like Middle Eastern in Romanian, but I do consider them also Oriental.

[Hamilcar]

The point is that there is already such a group as the Israeli Jews. At least the native-born population. They speak one language and have a common national identity. Plenty of them are a mix of European and non-European Jews. We have a member waam here, he is half Mountain Jewish from Dagestan, quarter Yemeni and quarter Sephardic.

So ? From an objective point of view it doesn't mean they are genetically and culturally similar to ancient jews nor does it mean palestinians are treated like decent humans there.

[Jana]

Well, that woman in the photo is just white, let's be real.

Many Jews look white, but you can still see they are Jewish, if you are familiar enough with their facial features. Mark Zuckerberg for example also looks like a light Jew. New York is full of Ashkenazis who look like that.

[Sasaolo68]

Her facial features are gracile Jewish/southern. You are Berber who doesn't really know what typical European is.

Gracilized types are found in France and UK Islands...

That is not necessarily jewish or southern trait, there are plenty CM Southern Europeans as well, plus many jews aren't gracile at all and most of them resemble Southern Europeans, that woman could pass as a blonde Iberian or blonde Southern French easily.

[Hamilcar]

Land belong to those who conquer it and can keep it. Ancestors of southern Slavs or Anatolian Turks asked none for permission but conquered their new homelands with fire and sword.
That is natural human way, all else is talk for losers.

Jews have ethnical and historical connection to Israel, but even if they didn't have, they'd have right to the Land they are obviously smart enough to keep and nurture to make it prosper.
Obviously Arabs would remove and exterminate them if they could, but they can't, and that's why they are frustrated and cry about illegitimate state of Israel (loool)

As if spread of Arab languages and Islam went by peace.

The thing is that that's not the usual argument they use to defend israel. If an israeli tells me what you wrote I would agree with him but no they prefer to lie and twist the datas and propagate their dangerous ideology.

[Meerkat]

So ? From an objective point of view it doesn't mean they are genetically and culturally similar to ancient jews nor does it mean palestinians are treated like decent humans there.

Ethiopian Jews and Indian Jews aren't genetically related to other Jews, but a lot of Ethiopian Jews have culturally assimilated into the Israeli culture and are therefore Middle Eastern. Indian Jews were actually practicing a form of Judaism similar to that of other Jews, and so they do have a line of tradition going back to the Ancient Israelites even if it's isn't genetic. They are no less Jewish and less Ancient Israelite than Ashkenazim or Sephardim or Mizrahim are, and many of them are moving to Israel in which they'll assimilate into the Israeli culture.

Why are you so obsessed with where Jews come from? Honestly this seems like an unhealthy obsession given the fact that you aren't Jewish.

The Jewish people are a TRIBE, and we existed way before people knew what genetic markers were. We never defined ourselves according to genetics, but to tradition. The Ancient Israelites also came from other groups of people (Philistines, Moabites, Edomites, etc), but they were still Ancient Israelites because they identified as the Ancient Israelite people.

[Jana]

plus many jews aren't gracile at all and most of them resemble Southern Europeans, that woman could pass as a blonde Iberian or blonde Southern French easily.

Most Jews I saw were gracile. But yeah, she can pass for light Iberian or light southern French. Jews and southern Europeans obviously overlap.
But ask Swedes, Germans or Russians would she look typical for them and see what they answer.

[Leto]

Many Jews look white, but you can still see they are Jewish, if you are familiar enough with their facial features. Mark Zuckerberg for example also looks like a light Jew. New York is full of Ashkenazis who look like that.

Is Meirav Cohen, the minister for social equality in Israel, one of such cases? She was born in Jerusalem to Moroccan Sephardic parents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meirav_Cohen

I swear there are Belorussians that are swarthier than her. And the Sephardim are not even white as a group. But you don't care much about pigmentation, do you.