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Thread: Were Southern American Confederates traitors and paranoid fools or were they right?

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    Default Were Southern American Confederates traitors and paranoid fools or were they right?

    Hope no Southerners or Americans will be offended by this. It's just that I have found this ACW stuff very interesting for a very long time. I always wondered how could Americans fight and kill each other over negro slavery. I know the Northerners and Lincoln mostly just wanted to save the Union, which in my eyes makes them the sane patriots. But you're not gonna convince me that secession of the Southern states was not about protecting slavery. Tell us what are your opinions about this war and about Southern Confederates in particular. I think they were fools mostly and the leadership was made up of traitors and crazies. Lincoln did not even wanted originally to abolish slavery, but only to stop it's expansion into Western territories. But Southerners became convinced that he was under the influence of the radical abolitionists who were also often nuts, if you consider their support for mass murderer and terrorist John Brown.

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    It hardly matters now. Most people who've fought in wars could be characterised as fools duped by their leaders. Calling them traitors is unfair though. They were loyal to their state and it's rights, and their local communities. Funny that they're called traitors considering that the US was essentially a traitor state created 80 years earlier, that just happened to win their independence, so it's framed differently ('patriots').

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    It hardly matters now. Most people who've fought in wars could be characterised as fools duped by their leaders. Calling them traitors is unfair though. They were loyal to their state and it's rights, and their local communities. Funny that they're called traitors considering that the US was essentially a traitor state created 80 years earlier, that just happened to win their independence, so it's framed differently ('patriots').
    Yes, you have a point about the American Revolution. That was secession too and in a way treason towards the mother country of Britain. Except the American rebels or revolutionaries had more legitimate grievances than did the Southern American ones against the Union and Britain did not want to even negotiate with the Americans.

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    They were not traitors! They were brave noble patriots fighting for the cause of States Rights. They were anti- Federalists and carried on the tradition of our forefathers- many who were Southerners themselves- Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, and Madison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    They were not traitors! They were brave noble patriots fighting for the cause of States Rights. They were anti- Federalists and carried on the tradition of our forefathers- many who were Southerners themselves- Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, and Madison.
    But how did the Lincoln administration threatened states rights and was that worth a fratricidal war that killed almost 700 000 people?

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    The american civil war has nothing to do with slaves, the yankees were slave owners too. The real reason was economic difference, southernes were pro-agricultural peoples, and northernes wanted industrialization, and more workers (mostly blacks) to their factories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    The american civil war has nothing to do with slaves, the yankees were slave owners too. The real reason was economic difference, southernes were pro-agricultural peoples, and northernes wanted industrialization, and more workers (mostly blacks) to their factories.
    I think this is the first time I have to disagree with you. The North had abolished slavery in the late 18th to early 19th century, depending on state and they also had usually laws for gradual abolition, whereby blacks born to slaves after a certain date would be free. So it took many years, but the Northeast freed it's much smaller number of slaves and not out of moral superiority, but because black slaves were relatively few and not important to the economy. The South was indeed agricultural for the most part and also had large numbers of black slaves which were essential for their economy. It was about slavery and they seceded because of violent rhetoric from Northern abolitionists and violent action by nuts like John Brown in Kansas territory. The Midwest or North-Central area never had slavery btw. Also the Northern industries relied but a little on black workers, with the vast majority of workers being white and largely European immigrants(back then Irish, British and Germans chiefly).
    It's true though that many Northern capitalists did wanted to lure Southern blacks up North to work in their factories.
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    I’m a Southerner. Slavery degraded The South and a handful of wealthy Southerners dragged The South into a stupid war, but then again if you have ever met an obnoxious Yankee your first reaction will be to kill them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    But how did the Lincoln administration threatened states rights and was that worth a fratricidal war that killed almost 700 000 people?
    He violated the Constitution when he invaded the South and enforced tariffs. There was an issue with the rich northern bankers who wanted to control the Southern economy.

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