Were Southern American Confederates traitors and paranoid fools or were they right?

[Hialt]

The South has no monopoly on that. Go soak your brainwashed head in a toilet full of diarrhea.

You worded it perfectly, and I agree with you. "Slavery is in the Bible," in other words. And, true, there's slavery in many countries in this world, presently.
However, I think the North had a good point: "Freedom-loving" America would be hypocritical if it permitted slavery...

[TheForeigner]

You worded it perfectly, and I agree with you. "Slavery is in the Bible," in other words. And, true, there's slavery in many countries in this world, presently.
However, I think the North had a good point: "Freedom-loving" America would be hypocritical if it permitted slavery...

You both are wrong! The North invaded the South to maintain the territorial integrity of the Union, not to abolish slavery. Lincoln decided to take the first measure to abolish slavery late in the war. The Emancipation Proclamation was meant to discourage the anti-slavery British and French from joining the South and to encourage slaves to rebel which did not happen, but could have ended the war. Remember it only freed the slaves of states in rebellion, not of the border states too. The 13th amendment was adopted in early 1865, just about after the war ended.
But the point was that the South did secede over slavery, thinking Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery, which he did not intend initially. And you are also missing the point about slavery being or not being the reason. The point is secession and making war on the Union, killing fellow Americans, was atrocious and treasonous for whatever reason they might cite today or in the past!

[Richmondbread]

Those who insist the war was not "fought over slavery," would seem to excuse slavery.

Only a simpleton would think the war was fought only for slavery. If you polled the average Union officer, they were certainly not fighting to end slavery. They were fighting to preserve the Union. The average Confederate solider was not a slave owner, they were fighting for independence.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Those who insist the war was not "fought over slavery," would seem to excuse slavery.

"Seem" is the key word. You *seem* to be missing my point, though.

[Anglo-Celtic]

You worded it perfectly, and I agree with you. "Slavery is in the Bible," in other words. And, true, there's slavery in many countries in this world, presently.
However, I think the North had a good point: "Freedom-loving" America would be hypocritical if it permitted slavery...

Most Southerners had no slaves. The North had slavery at one time too, so they must have changed their own hypocritical views.

[Hialt]

"Seem" is the key word. You *seem* to be missing my point, though.

No, you’re missing my point. I understand your point, which is that the South had no “monopoly over slavery.” Meaning, in other words, that slavery belongs to mankind, not just the Confederacy. Did you not read my post where I pointed out that slavery is in the Bible, and therefore (can be argued) might not have the disapproval of God, not to mention its historical association with mankind?
Yeah, with all this I say that this cannot excuse slavery BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR SLAVERY. Any man who has been forced to physically labor will communicate to you that it can be so horrible as to be torture. It is indefensible. You can’t be light on the slave thing.

[Anglo-Celtic]

You can’t be light on the slave thing.

You can't? Tell that to the leftists who ignore the slaves who are alive *now*.

[JamesBond007]

Only a simpleton would think the war was fought only for slavery. If you polled the average Union officer, they were certainly not fighting to end slavery. They were fighting to preserve the Union. The average Confederate solider was not a slave owner, they were fighting for independence.

Only a moron would think the civil war was fought over slavery : the civil war was fought over economics and taxation. As Voltaire once said "all war is a matter of robbery" e.g. carpetbaggers.

Abraham Lincoln even said that the white man and black man could not live under the same government because they were not equal and I think he might have had a plan to ship blacks to Africa, perhaps, but it never went forward or through.

[Smaland]

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[longly]

Those who insist the war was not "fought over slavery," would seem to excuse slavery.

Why did poor white southerners fight for succession and independence? I think this was one of the main reasons:

1804 Haiti massacre - Wikipedia

1804 Haiti massacre was carried out against the French population and French Creoles (or Franco-Haitians) remaining in Haiti following the Haitian Revolution,[1] by soldiers, mostly former slaves, under orders from Jean-Jacques Dessalines. He had decreed that all suspected of conspiring in the acts of the expelled army should be put to death.[2] From early January 1804 until 22 April 1804, squads of soldiers moved from house to house throughout Haiti, torturing and killing entire families.[3] Between 3,000 and 5,000 people were killed.[4]

Nicholas A. Robins and Adam Jones describe the massacre as a "genocide of the subaltern", in which an oppressed group uses genocidal means to destroy their oppressors.[5] Throughout the early-to-mid nineteenth century, the events of the massacre were well known in the United States. In addition, many refugees had come to the U.S. from Saint-Domingue, settling in New Orleans, Charleston, New York, Baltimore and other coastal cities. These events polarized Southern U.S. public opinion on the question of the abolition of slavery.