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    Default Do you believe in a disembodied soul?

    Do you believe in a disembodied soul or do you think it is all biochemistry (like I do); I am 100% sure that there is no soul.
    If you believe in it, when do you think it arises? Do you believe that your soul lives further after your death?
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    Soul refers to a whole individual, mind/body/spirit. I take it you mean one's spirit, and in which case, yes. Our flesh bodies are a "reflection" of the spirit, a vehicle, to interact with this three-dimensional world.

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    I think Armenids had a great influence on the great three semitic religions and thats why the "soul" is so important for those religions.
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    I don't believe in it as a metaphysical entity, which I think is the common belief, that we "have" a soul that goes somewhere when we die.

    Feelings are processes of the human mind but do not always equate to material experience i.e. feeling cold when burning with fever, because a mercury thermometer would disprove that feeling's factual standing.

    A belief of non-belief is the standard factually correct statement of being. I don't have to believe in the myriad of spirits, gods, legends and cultural baggages of thousands of tribes/civilisations, they're simply irrelevant to my knowledge and perception. Such is the concept of 'soul' as well.

    The concept of creator is culturally bound to Eurasian philosophy. One does not need a creator if you don't concieve existence as a creation. If a soul exists within the Christian concept it can only be immaterial and eternal. Genesis 2:7 shows that the soul is created from no material in contrast to the body. The Bible mentions multiple times that the things that are unseen are eternal.

    Science has nothing to say about the human soul. There is nothing in biology that suggests that a soul exists; you don't dissect a brain and see a soul nestling between the pituitary and hypothalamus. There is no problem in biology that can be solved by invoking the existence of a soul as a hypothesis.

    All the properties assigned to the soul (consciousness, conscience, memory, character, etc.) are changed by brain injury/disease. This is compelling evidence that everything we think of as "soul" is actually brain activity (which obviously ceases when you die).

    And consciousness seems to be more out of our grasp. There are single cell organisms that seem to thrive with no brain or nervous system to produce activity of consciousness such as a paramecium. It has no brain or nervous system and yet it's still aware of it's environment, hunts, eats, kills, mates, reproduces just like any creature would do to survive.

    I think consciousness is like a bottle of water in the ocean. When I die, the bottle breaks, and the water in it is mixed with the rest of the ocean. Without the container, there can be no "I", and you cannot fill a container with the same water twice, so "I" won't be back. But I won't disappear, I'll just go back to the same state as before I was born.

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    I think Armenids had a great influence on the great three semitic religions and thats why the "soul" is so important for those religions.
    More like Orientalids.

    It actually goes back to ancient Hittites. A stone memorial in Sam'al, Turkey proves people in the region believed in the soul almost 3,000 years ago. It's concrete, textual evidence of ancients believing in the soul outliving the body.

    In other surrounding cultures, the normal belief was that the soul remained in the body after death, attached to the bones. This idea of soul transference is an odd one to find in Turkey. That's more in line with beliefs like those from ancient Egypt, but there's no other evidence of a meeting of the cultures.

    The three 8th century BCE inscriptions of Kuttamuwa, Hadad, and Panamuwa use the Aramaic cognate of נפש to refer to the dead person who shares in the sacrifices to the gods and who may inhabit the erected stele in the afterlife.

    Richard Friedman and Shawna Dolansky offer a compelling case that there is some conception of afterlife in ancient Israelite religion.

    The ancient Hebrew concept may have been influenced by Egyptian concept which regarded the whole living person as made up of several different physical and spiritual components, some of which (such as the ka and the ba) survive the death of the individual. This isn't a dichotomy of body and soul but rather the whole person breaking down at death, with some parts decaying and some parts enduring.

    This is different from an immortal soul concept, which views the soul as fully alive without the body, as opposed to the soul being a spiritual residue of a person that now has a deathly existence without physical embodiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    I don't believe in it as a metaphysical entity, which I think is the common belief, that we "have" a soul that goes somewhere when we die.

    Feelings are processes of the human mind but do not always equate to material experience i.e. feeling cold when burning with fever, because a mercury thermometer would disprove that feeling's factual standing.

    A belief of non-belief is the standard factually correct statement of being. I don't have to believe in the myriad of spirits, gods, legends and cultural baggages of thousands of tribes/civilisations, they're simply irrelevant to my knowledge and perception. Such is the concept of 'soul' as well.

    The concept of creator is culturally bound to Eurasian philosophy. One does not need a creator if you don't concieve existence as a creation. If a soul exists within the Christian concept it can only be immaterial and eternal. Genesis 2:7 shows that the soul is created from no material in contrast to the body. The Bible mentions multiple times that the things that are unseen are eternal.

    Science has nothing to say about the human soul. There is nothing in biology that suggests that a soul exists; you don't dissect a brain and see a soul nestling between the pituitary and hypothalamus. There is no problem in biology that can be solved by invoking the existence of a soul as a hypothesis.

    All the properties assigned to the soul (consciousness, conscience, memory, character, etc.) are changed by brain injury/disease. This is compelling evidence that everything we think of as "soul" is actually brain activity (which obviously ceases when you die).

    And consciousness seems to be more out of our grasp. There are single cell organisms that seem to thrive with no brain or nervous system to produce activity of consciousness such as a paramecium. It has no brain or nervous system and yet it's still aware of it's environment, hunts, eats, kills, mates, reproduces just like any creature would do to survive.

    I think consciousness is like a bottle of water in the ocean. When I die, the bottle breaks, and the water in it is mixed with the rest of the ocean. Without the container, there can be no "I", and you cannot fill a container with the same water twice, so "I" won't be back. But I won't disappear, I'll just go back to the same state as before I was born.



    More like Orientalids.

    It actually goes back to ancient Hittites. A stone memorial in Sam'al, Turkey proves people in the region believed in the soul almost 3,000 years ago. It's concrete, textual evidence of ancients believing in the soul outliving the body.

    In other surrounding cultures, the normal belief was that the soul remained in the body after death, attached to the bones. This idea of soul transference is an odd one to find in Turkey. That's more in line with beliefs like those from ancient Egypt, but there's no other evidence of a meeting of the cultures.

    The three 8th century BCE inscriptions of Kuttamuwa, Hadad, and Panamuwa use the Aramaic cognate of נפש to refer to the dead person who shares in the sacrifices to the gods and who may inhabit the erected stele in the afterlife.

    Richard Friedman and Shawna Dolansky offer a compelling case that there is some conception of afterlife in ancient Israelite religion.

    The ancient Hebrew concept may have been influenced by Egyptian concept which regarded the whole living person as made up of several different physical and spiritual components, some of which (such as the ka and the ba) survive the death of the individual. This isn't a dichotomy of body and soul but rather the whole person breaking down at death, with some parts decaying and some parts enduring.

    This is different from an immortal soul concept, which views the soul as fully alive without the body, as opposed to the soul being a spiritual residue of a person that now has a deathly existence without physical embodiment.
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    I deal with the topic of soul by evading to talk about it in my body of philosophy. I believe in soul which is immaterial but not in either hell and heaven, nor in myself having a soul. Soul to me is even not necessarily a divisible idea, it just exists that is all that humankind needs to know, it does not matter how and where. God is similar to the idea of soul but not necessarily the same thing too, I see god or gods as a transposing idea that can be interpreted in countless ways, or the idea of god or gods itself is unstable to human conception, so that is why we have choosen peoples to generate monotheistic religions like christianity and Islamism. The idea of god itself is ambiguous, it is necessary to proclaim oneself as choosen to have a stable icon of a single god. Actually it is very logical for monotheisms to denounce other religions as false, because the idea of God once is canonized within a group of people, then all the rest of devine representations naturally become mundane and false in their theology. This is the idea of God, therefore, a god is not necessarily a god, but still being a god. By describing god, I differentiate the idea of god and soul, the soul is absolute, not necessarily knowable to humankind, something that simply exist outside our gnostic universe. Therefore, the soul is the absolute existence, while god or gods are about to be or not to be. I have to use the discussion of god and gods to offset my idea of soul, so the soul is higher than god and gods? yes, according to Hexachordia, as approved by Hexachordia from apricity. Like it or hate it.

    Therefore, ghosts are not soul, anything that happens to human detection through every possible means, scientific or ritualistic, does not belong to my idea of soul, there is something outside our discussion, our universe, our cognitive spheres, that is the soul. It is more about the outsiders, rather than being immaterial or immortal.
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    Maybe. We even don't know what dark matter and dark energy are.
    Not everything in the universe is simply atoms and chemical compounds.
    Quantum mechanics is so damn bizarre.
    I don't believe consciousness simply arises of out the complex network of neurons.
    There is something else, some primordial phenomenon.
    You can call it a soul and I don't think it is build out of atoms but it may interact with atoms.
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    I still doubt that there is a soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batavia View Post
    I still doubt that there is a soul.
    I dont. Wheres the "soul" after 3 shots of tequila? Its all brain chemistry.

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    I do believe in the soul and in life after death, in this case I have had experiences that have proved it to me.

    There is life after death.
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