Jews 31% R1b??

[Pine]

Well these 2 branches of Z2103 seem Jewish and the upstream is more or less NW Asian (NW Asian lineages being fairly typical in the Levant since Iron age)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY13830/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y16852/

Those look more like Bronze Age entries.

[Dr_Maul]

Interesting, do you wager that the lineages(FGC8564, A689) above to have came later or was there to begin with? R L2 I could see, but R Z159 I don't see being apart of it.

I would find it extremely unlikely to think that lineage being under Germanic U106 was anywhere in the Middle East prior to the middle ages

[Dr_Maul]

Those look more like Bronze Age entries.

Yes most likely they seem correlating with Mitanni, Hittites, possibly Kassites/Gutians (if they were IE or not, not confirmed) but I think most of Levant R1 (R1a definitely) is more Iron age. But these are more of an LBA situation

[Pine]

Interesting, do you wager that the lineages(FGC8564, A689) above to have came later or was there to begin with? R L2 I could see, but R Z159 I don't see being apart of it.

No one states that R-FGC8564 is from the Middle East. It's called the Ivanhoe branch for that reason. R-A689 is just a subbranch of it. The only current debate is where the introgression happened.

[Flub]

No one states that R-FGC8564 is from the Middle East. It's called the Ivanhoe branch for that reason. R-A689 is just a subbranch of it. The only current debate is where the introgression happened.

Like I've stated earlier, the branch stems from it's ancestor https://www.yfull.com/R-Y5051/, that it has clades that are in Southern Europe like this one here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A534 that is reperesented with Southern European flags. Then the introgression would have to have been in Southern Europe, so in Europe. It isn't ancestrally middle eastern one could see that it is not if you take a look at it's ancestors that occupy Europe. There could be possibilities that it could be roman related or has entered by mass conversions.

[Pine]

Like I've stated earlier, the branch stems from it's ancestor https://www.yfull.com/R-Y5051/, that it has clades that are in southern europe like A534 that are reperesented with southern european flags. Then the introgression would have to have been in Southern Europe, so in Europe. It isn't ancestrally middle eastern one could see that it is not if you take a look at it's ancestors that occupy Europe. There could be possibilities that it could be roman related or has entered by mass conversions.

The debate isn't about Europe vs non-Europe. It's all within Europe. Mass conversion doesn't make sense.

[Flub]

@mishail

R2a could be the source of ANE ancestry in Iran_Neolithic
and Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganj_Dareh

So you're paternal ancestors could've not came there recently.

That could be the reason why it is so abundant in the middle east. @Pine

R2a was not found in Trialietian Mesolithic samples but I can theorize that It was a source of that ancestry for them too.
Besides R1 mtdna were found in ANE samples(Afontova Gora) and the Caucasus have some R1 mtdna lingering about.
Mtdna X could also be an indicator for the broader south west asia.

[chinshen]

r1b is not middle eastern. You only say that because you want to make the jews look more middle eastern even though they are mostly European lineages. And they are mostly a religious group of people.

@Pine is right, R1b-L23 is middle eastern. I am Assyrian with R1b-L23, R1b is over 30% in Assyrians.

[Flub]

The debate isn't about Europe vs non-Europe. It's all within Europe. Mass conversion doesn't make sense.

Recently came across one that is R-L4, can you explain that?

[E1b1b]

Jews are the real steppe Khazar warriors