Jews 31% R1b??

**Pine** · 12-04-2021, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Flub

Recently came across one that is R-L4, can you explain that?

Likely European introgression. I'm familiar with the clade. It's here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L4/ . Probably comes from an Iberian convert.

**~~Flub~~** · 12-05-2021, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Pine

Likely European introgression. I'm familiar with the clade. It's here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L4/ . Probably comes from an Iberian convert.

An Iberian founding lineage? I don't know but if you go back 4000 years ago, I see a theme here.

It seems like there is a Portuguese founding lineage (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S1523*/) same as R-Y5051, has there been a history of Jewish emergence in Portugal? In connection to Ashkenazim, that is.

**Pine** · 12-05-2021, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Flub

An Iberian founding lineage? I don't know but if you go back 4000 years ago, I see a theme here.

It seems like there is a Portuguese founding lineage (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S1523*/) same as R-Y5051, has there been a history of Jewish emergence in Portugal? In connection to Ashkenazim, that is.

Basal=/= founding.

Jews lived in Iberia prior to the emergence of Ashkenazim. Some migrated northward and would've been among the first Ashkenazim. There are numerous such lineages.

**~~Flub~~** · 12-11-2021, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Pine

Basal=/= founding.

Jews lived in Iberia prior to the emergence of Ashkenazim. Some migrated northward and would've been among the first Ashkenazim. There are numerous such lineages.

I'd like to mention that this one is also similar (https://yfull.com/tree/J-FGC30324/) European introgression?

**~~Flub~~** · 12-11-2021, 05:21 PM

double**

**Pine** · 12-16-2021, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Flub

I'd like to mention that this one is also similar (https://yfull.com/tree/J-FGC30324/) European introgression?

No. They're not close to similar.

**~~Flub~~** · 12-21-2021, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Pine

No. They're not close to similar.

Can you tell if it is European intrusion or not?

**Pine** · 12-22-2021, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Flub

Can you tell if it is European intrusion or not?

Extremely unlikely to be European.

**~~gixajo~~** · 12-22-2021, 09:43 PM

What proportion of the Ydna that have individuals of the Jewish religion do you estimate would not originate from originally Jewish individuals?

**~~Flub~~** · 12-23-2021, 02:01 AM

@gixajo

there is some scarcity is some studies showing where the lineages really originate. There is one I really know (jewishdna, I believe it's called) it labels some lineages with Europe, Magreb etc. 38 out of the 208 R1bs are labled with Europe.