East Los Angeles and Malibu - compare and contrast

[TheForeigner]

To have such extreme ethnic disparities within the same city as shown here is a recipe for mistrust and hatred.

The real recipe for riots and crime is diversity itself. There was never any reason to import millions of foreigners. Your integrated London has seen it's share of black and Paki riots and crime, but you will blame whites and "segregation" for it, no doubt.

[RMuller]

Completely missing the point. I am talking about the extreme segregation here - the fact East LA is almost exclusively Mexican/Central American is itself 'an unmitigated tragedy'.

EAST LA is over 90% Mexican origin. Very few Central Americans live in East LA.

[RMuller]

Keep in mind that Malibu has a total population of around 12,000 so it's a tiny fraction of the LA County population. It's a small pocket of extreme affluence and hardly typical. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions. You could have just as easily picked a middle class suburb like Burbank, which has a white and Latino mix and is far more typical of workaday Southern California.

Agree.

The largest Burbank racial/ethnic groups are White (56.2%) followed by Hispanic (24.1%) and Asian (11.4%).

In 2019, the median household income of Burbank households was $75,827. Burbank households made slightly more than Freedom households ($75,641) and Johnstonville households ($75,781) . However, 6.1% of Burbank families live in poverty.

https://www.california-demographics....k-demographics


The inventory of homes for sale in Burbank, CA between September 2021 and October 2021 decreased by 33.8%. In October 2021 median list price was $995,500 and ...

https://www.rockethomes.com/real-est...nds/ca/burbank

[RMuller]

What it was like a century ago is a moot point. We are talking about the here and now.

The point is LOS ANGELES was never segregated like the south and the east coast and it never really was as bad for people of Mexican origin. If EAST LA WAS RACIALLY mixed 80-100 it means LOS ANGELES WAS Not as segregated as the south and east coast. Segregation affects blacks more,that is the reality.

[RMuller]

OK, but considering that Los Angeles doesn't even have a White majority - in fact, Hispanics actually make up a plurality of the population - the fact that areas like Malibu still exist is astounding itself.

Miami is way more segregated.You will be lucky to find Amglos in Miami.


A White Migration North From Miami

WESTON, Fla. – Everything here is nice and neat, just the way Joanne Smith likes it. The developers call their new city on the edge of the Everglades "Our Home Town," and Smith agrees. "It's more like America," she says.

Instead, the refugees here are mostly native-born and white, young and old, and they have been streaming up from Miami for years now, creating a new version of the traditional "white flight" in reaction not to black inner cities, but to immigration.

According to an analysis of the most recent census data, for almost every immigrant who came to Miami-Dade County in recent years, a white non-Hispanic left.


"I loved Miami, but it's a mad scene down there now," said Smith, who is semi-retired and asked that her occupation not be given. Before her move to Weston, Smith lived in Miami for two decades, "in a nice neighborhood gone bad. People say things, 'Oh that's change and that's progress,' but I like it clean and green – and everybody speaking English," Smith says.

"Miami was a very happy place," Phillips remembers with nostalgia. "We had our demarcations, don't get me wrong. But we didn't have the animosity." When pressed, Phillips does remember that the beaches, restaurants and nightclubs were often segregated, not only for African Americans. Jews had their own country clubs.

"There's this myth out there that a Cuban will screw an American in a deal," Phillips says. "I don't think that is so, but that's the feeling the whites have, and it's because the two sides don't communicate, sometimes they can't communicate, and so they don't understand the other guy."

"We're great in America at blaming somebody else for our problems," Phillips said. "But I will tell that for a lot of the people who leave Miami, they might not tell you, but they're leaving because of the ethnics."


Robbie himself said he was comfortable down south in Miami, but concedes that many are not. "Anglos are accustomed to being in the majority, and down in Dade, they're not. And that puts some people outside of their comfort zone. People tend to like to stick together."

"Some people are real frank," he said. "They say they want to be with more people more like us. If they're white Americans, they want white Americans around them."

These dramatic numbers follow an equally large out-migration of whites during the 1980s. So many non-Hispanic whites left Miami-Dade in the previous decade that Marvin Dunn, a sociologist at Florida International University, who has followed the trend, said in 1991, "You get down to the point below which those who are going to leave have left and the others are committed to stay. I think we're close to that with whites."


But Dunn was wrong. The whites keep leaving.


"The two appear almost like mirror images of each other," Frey said of Broward and Miami-Dade counties. "There is definitely something going on here and we can only guess what it is. But this 'One America' that Clinton talks about is clearly not in the numbers. Segregation and non-assimilation continue."


Many times, native whites on the move explain that Miami now feels to them like "a foreign country," that they feel "overwhelmed" by the presence not just of some Spanish-speakers, but so many.


"You order a Coke without ice," said an executive and mother of three who moved to Broward from Miami in 1996 and asked that her name not be used. "And you get ice. You say no starch and you get starch. You call government offices, and they can't take a decent message in English. You spell your name letter by letter and they get it wrong. They keep saying 'Que? Que? Que?' (Spanish for "What?') You go to the mall, and you watch as the clerks wait on the Spanish speakers before you. It's like reverse racism. You realize, my God, this is what it is like to be the minority."

"The white population feels increasingly beleaguered," said George Wilson, a sociologist at the University of Miami who is studying the phenomenon.


"Their whole domain is changing at the micro-level," Wilson continued. "At the malls, in the schools. A lot of the whites I talk to say they feel challenged by the rapid ethnic and cultural change. A whole population of whites has gone from a clear majority to a clear minority in a very short time . . . and a lot of them simply say, 'To hell with this,' and move up the road."


Several of those interviewed complain that the politics of Miami-Dade are dominated by the issues of the newcomers, particularly the Cuban Americans, who wait for the fall of Fidel Castro; they see in the city hall, where a number of officials were recently indicted and convicted of taking kickbacks after it was discovered that the city was broke, a "banana republic" of ethnic cronyism; they dislike being referred to in Spanish media as "the Americans" by Miami's Hispanic residents and politicians, as if they were the foreigners.


"We had a tremendous exodus of Anglos, especially Anglos who did not feel comfortable with the new demographics of Miami, who were intimidated by the Spanish language and the influx of different people," said Eduardo Padron, a Cuban American and president of the Miami Dade Community College. "It is a natural trend for them to move out. Many of them kept working in Miami, but they found refuge in Broward."


Recent elections reveal that voters in Miami-Dade select candidates along stark racial and ethnic lines in classic bloc voting. The 1995 county mayor's race, pitting Cuban American Alex Penelas against African American Arthur Teele, Jr., turned almost entirely on demographic lines, with exit polls showing that the overwhelming majority of Cuban Americans voted for Penelas, as most blacks voted for Teele. What did whites do? A lot of them did not vote at all.


Over the years, there has been sporadic, organized resistance by whites in Miami to hold back the changes. One group, calling itself Citizens of Dade United, was successful in passing a referendum in 1980 that declared English the "official language" of county government. But it was overturned in 1993. Enos Schera, who is a co-founder of the group and who is now 71, is still filled with vinegar, and says he refuses to move from Miami – though he says he and his group have received death threats.


"I'm staying to fight this crazy thing," Schera said. "I'm not a bad guy, but I don't want to be overrun. They come here and get all the advantages of being in America and then they insult you right on top of it." He is writing a book about the changes. "That will tell all," he promises.


Here at Weston, almost all of the communities are closed with security gates, requiring a visitor to punch a code or be cleared by a guard before entering the enclaves. In addition to the gates, a private security firm patrols the neighborhoods.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...t/melt1109.htm

[Tooting Carmen]

EAST LA is over 90% Mexican origin. Very few Central Americans live in East LA.

Then that makes it even less diverse then.

[Tooting Carmen]

Miami is way more segregated.You will be lucky to find Anglos in Miami.

Miami Beach, Coconut Grove and Coral Gables still have quite a few. One key difference between Miami and LA is that, while well over half the Hispanics in LA are poor, the ones in Miami are a much more even balance of different classes.

[RMuller]

Miami Beach, Coconut Grove and Coral Gables still have quite a few.

Most of those are Northeastern retires who eventually die .But most white families got the hell out of Miami decades ago.

One key difference between Miami and LA is that, while well over half the Hispanics in LA are poor, the ones in Miami are a much more even balance of different classes.

Half? That's a lie.You like to stereotype.You need to provide sources .
" 181,485 Latino families are in poverty, accounting for 18.5% of all Latino families in Los Angeles County. "

https://laedc.org/wp-content/uploads...inos_in_LA.pdf


Miami, Florida Poverty Rate By Race

The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Miami, Florida is dramatically higher than the national average of 22.2%. 79,092 of 316,076 hispanic Floridians live below the poverty line. Approximately 71.3% of the total population of Miami, Florida are hispanic.
25% of Miami Latinos are in poverty.Higher tan Latino poverty rates of LOS ANGELES
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-rate/florida/miami

East LA has the LOWER poverty rates THAN Miami latinos

22.6% of Hispanic residents of East Los Angeles, California live below the poverty line.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...st-los-angeles


Downey suburb of LOS ANGELES
11.0% of Hispanic residents of Downey, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Downey, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 9,183 of 83,418 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 73.6% of the total population of Downey, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...ifornia/downey

The Downey, CA housing market is very competitive, scoring 70 out of 100. The average Downey house price was $780K last month, up 11.4% since last year.





COVINA ANOTHER SUBURB CITY
10.8% of Hispanic residents of Covina, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Covina, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 2,921 of 27,063 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 55.7% of the total population of Covina, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...ifornia/covina


In October 2021, West Covina home prices were up 21.3% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $740K. On average, homes in West Covina sell ...





DIAMOND BAR ANOTHER SUBURB OF LA
5.3% of Hispanic residents of Diamond Bar, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Diamond Bar, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 548 of 10,427 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 18.4% of the total population of Diamond Bar, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...ia/diamond-bar


In October 2021, Diamond Bar home prices were up 15.7% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $810K. On average, homes in Diamond Bar sell ...








SUBURB OF LA
6.4% of Hispanic residents of Hacienda Heights, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Hacienda Heights, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 1,594 of 24,857 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 45.9% of the total population of Hacienda Heights, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...cienda-heights


In October 2021, Hacienda Heights home prices were down 8.0% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $750K. On average, homes in Hacienda ...





2.5% of Hispanic residents of Hermosa Beach, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Hermosa Beach, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 45 of 1,778 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 9.0% of the total population of Hermosa Beach, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-.../hermosa-beach



In October 2021, Hermosa Beach home prices were up 32.4% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $2.3M. On average, homes in Hermosa Beach sell ...










1.3% of Hispanic residents of La Habra Heights, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in La Habra Heights, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 14 of 1,048 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 19.3% of the total population of La Habra Heights, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...-habra-heights


In October 2021, La Habra Heights home prices were up 12.6% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $1.1M. On average, homes in La Habra ...






19.1% of Hispanic residents of La Puente, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in La Puente, California is the same as than the national average. 6,520 of 34,141 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 84.4% of the total population of La Puente, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...rnia/la-puente


In October 2021, La Puente home prices were up 15.9% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $655K. On average, homes in La Puente sell after ...









15.0% of Hispanic residents of Montebello, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Montebello, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 7,315 of 48,922 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 77.1% of the total population of Montebello, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...nia/montebello




In October 2021, Montebello home prices were up 11.5% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $700K. On average, homes in Montebello sell after ...






9.5% of Hispanic residents of Monrovia, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Monrovia, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 1,451 of 15,346 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 41.3% of the total population of Monrovia, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...ornia/monrovia


In October 2021, Monrovia home prices were up 18.7% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $905K. On average, homes in Monrovia sell after 35 ...



14.2% of Hispanic residents of Norwalk, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Norwalk, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 10,534 of 74,335 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 69.9% of the total population of Norwalk, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...fornia/norwalk


In October 2021, Norwalk home prices were up 18.5% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $640K. On average, homes in Norwalk sell after 23 ...





10.3% of Hispanic residents of Pico Rivera, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in Pico Rivera, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 5,837 of 56,631 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 88.8% of the total population of Pico Rivera, California are hispanic.

16.6% of White residents of Pico Rivera, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of white residents in Pico Rivera, California is dramatically higher than the national average of 10.3%. 597 of 3,589 white Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 5.6% of the total population of Pico Rivera, California are white.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...ia/pico-rivera


In October 2021, Pico Rivera home prices were up 17.5% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $650K. On average, homes in Pico Rivera sell ...





6.9% of Hispanic residents of San Dimas, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in San Dimas, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 751 of 10,853 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 31.6% of the total population of San Dimas, California are hispanic.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...rnia/san-dimas



In October 2021, the median listing home price in San Dimas, CA was $850K, trending up 20.2% year-over-year. The median listing home price per square foot was ...




2.0% of Hispanic residents of San Marino, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of hispanic residents in San Marino, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 22.2%. 26 of 1,304 hispanic Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 9.8% of the total population of San Marino, California are hispanic.


In October 2021, San Marino home prices were up 8.5% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $2.4M. San Marino Housing Market Trends.



7.6% of White residents of San Marino, California live below the poverty line.
The Poverty Rate of white residents in San Marino, California is dramatically lower than the national average of 10.3%. 326 of 4,293 white Californians live below the poverty line. Approximately 32.2% of the total population of San Marino, California are white.
https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-...nia/san-marino


To many suburbs to post

The clear majority of the latinos in those LOS ANGELES suburb cities i posted are of Mexican ancestry

[Cristiano viejo]

Los Ángeles sucks. Latinos, blacks and Jews have destroyed it.

[Tooting Carmen]

Los Ángeles sucks. Latinos, blacks and Jews have destroyed it.

There are actually a surprising number of poor/homeless/vagrant Whites there too. Here is a video Cernunnos posted: