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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    I would find it quite palatable to believe there is nothing after this life. Most of the religions in the world promise the possibility, even the likelihood, of great torment after death. That's hardly a comforting thought. So for those who say religion is a crutch, I turn it around on them. I think atheism/nihilism is at least as much of a crutch.
    Both are a crutch without feasible proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Well you're right but don't forget that there is a lot of people (me included) who don't believe in any gods nor profess a religion yet think there is an afterlife.
    If you don't believe in a personal God on what basis do you believe that there is an afterlife?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Christopher Langan has an interesting take.

    What is so interesting there? To me he is just babbling as usual with no deeper thought. But then again I have no 210 IQ.

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    Many evidences point to a design in the universe wether it's accidental, as we wouldn't be there to comment it, or actually designed by "something", a kind of ordering power. 100% of lottery winners were lucky. This questions the nature of reality itself and why the hell it even exists, some monkeys travelling at the speed of light on a spec of dust through infinity is as much as we can make sense of it yet. That's if we are not a simulation, which i think is a theory that gained ground lately but because people with scientific inclination are afraid to admit there might be something akin to a god, although likely much more complex and disinterested than the religious concept of it.

    If you build a small shelter for fun in the forest with a couple of branches, you won't be wondering how the animals or even micro organisms living inside it are gonna see that structure that represents their whole visible universe. Maybe the big animals could use it as a shelter as well but they ll never understand the real purpose of it, which had none really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    If you don't believe in a personal God on what basis do you believe that there is an afterlife?
    Based on reincarnation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batavia View Post
    If you believe in God then how do you explain to yourself that the world is so terrible and cold. Why do you think he doesn't show himself?
    God is only a theory and a bad one in my opinion - there is no proof, that he exists. Belief does not necessarily have to be anti-scientific, but there is proof for evolution.
    Try to change my mind...
    What a silly argument. Why should God be a certain way, in order for you to believe he even exists? Why should he conform to your idea of what God should be like, and what the world should be like? This is nonsensical and totally subjective, and not a reasonable line of thinking. God is who he is, and he has revealed himself to humanity in Jesus Christ, and he has given us a thorough and understandable written compilation in the Bible, in order to understand all basic things about God, and to know what we need to do to inherit eternal life in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    Both are a crutch without feasible proof.
    Except there is no proof whatsoever for the existence of God. We should apply Occam's Razzor here, instead of making up stuff in order to feel more comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    What is so interesting there? To me he is just babbling as usual with no deeper thought. But then again I have no 210 IQ.
    To keep it simple he's saying God is both personal and impersonal. Personal in that we're a reflection of God in a partial sense but also impartial in that God remains the same regardless of our individual perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Based on reincarnation.
    And based on what do you believe in reincarnation? It's as if I say I believe in after-life and Christian theology based on near-death experience of Christians. Claims of reincarnation just like near-death experiences can be scientifically explained.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    To keep it simple he's saying God is both personal and impersonal. Personal in that we're a reflection of God in a partial sense but also impartial in that God remains the same regardless of our individual perspective.
    I figured that one out. But what should one do with that information? It's just babbling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    And based on what do you believe in reincarnation? It's as if I say I believe in after-life and Christian theology based on near-death experience of Christians. Claims of reincarnation just like near-death experiences can be scientifically explained.



    I figured that one out. But what should one do with that information? It's just babbling.
    No, there are actual documented stories that seem to confirm that it's a verifiable thing, read about the case of James Leininger for instance. Delve into it and you'll be mindblown. Certain things just cannot be made-up here. There is even a couple of respected scientists who gather information about such phenomena looking for reliable cases of it and finding some that are very hard to overthrow. Either way things like beliefs are inherently not strictly associated with scientific proofs. Near-death experiences of Christians on the other hand with them seeing God, Jesus or whatnot on the other hand are easily explainable in very mundane ways, it's not a coincidence that people who have different faiths / gods see different entities for that reason.


    https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-...0716000331.pdf

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