Do you consider alnortedelsur spaniard?

[Rafael Passoni]

Where? In italy?
I was born and raised in Spain

So you are Spanish. In the same way my father's cousin that is native from France, despite he has Spanish roots, he is French. I can't think he is Spanish. Makes no sense to me. He can't speak even the language.
Have they said to you that you are not? It's confuse.

[Kriptc06]

I am in a situation very similar to alnorte's, I won't get into much detail cause it doesn't matter, if I were in he's shoes I wouldn't give two shits to what other people have to say, he's the only one that can say what he is.

[Cristiano viejo]

Thanks for those nice words towards me

But just one correction: not all Spaniards are strict one drop rulers like Cristiano Viejo, they can go from progressive idiots who would consider Spanish to any person with Spanish citizenship living in Spain, no matter if they are black Africans, to one drop rule extremists like Cristiano, Viejo, Gallop or Perikolez, and lots of them being in between. The most reasonable ones to me are those who only consider Spanish to people who are of full or mostly Spanish stock, who look very passable as full European, and with a strong connection with Spain, without being so strict like CV.

Man, that is exactly my thought: people who are of FULL Spanish stock.

But you are not one of these.

When it comes to the new world is different, we are not really ethnicity but more than anything, nationalities. Alnorte is white, he has very very minor admixture to count for anything, and his mother is Spaniard, I think this case is different. To me he is both Venezuelan and Spanish, and I am glad he is proud to be both.

In the Casta system back in the day he would have also been consider white and a Spaniard.

I could not care less what you sudacas think about who is Spaniard or Martian. Of course you will think anyone could be what they want

He is half spaniard anf half venexuelan so he is both

You can not be both.

I doubt any nowadays Spanish leftist would consider a legal blablabla

Spanish lefties, every lefty of the world really, will claim a Sudanese is Spaniard just if he thinks he is.
Papers mean nothing.

And Valladolid is not Spain!!!

It is something more important even, it is Castilla.

VENEZUELAN TESTED

THANKS FOR PROVING HE CAN NOT BE SPANIARD NOT EVEN IN SICK MINDS.

Y para que voy a pelear? No tengo ningun animo de venir a este hilo a pelear. Yo soy tan Espanol como Venezolano, y Cristiano Viejo o quien sea pueden decir misa. Eso no va a cambiar nada.

Los españoles no somos venezolanos, ni vietnamitas. Si no eres 100% español, no eres español, es algo muy sencillo.

Mírate tu apellido italiano y dime entonces que eres español, ¡JUAS!

No. He is not from Spain, is not (anywhere near) fully Spanish, and currently lives in Ohio if I remember correctly. I disagree with the notion that one can identify however they choose.

@El Jibaro I've said this before, and I'll say it again. There is nothing incongruent about being a white purist and considering Barack Obama black. It has everything to do with your in-group, the group that you identify with and whose future is important to you. White people have no reason to care about the purity of blacks or their continuance as a race. They have every reason to care about the purity of whites and their continuance as a race. It is for that reason that whites, historically and to a large degree even today, are willing to lump mulattos in with pure blacks but are unwilling to accept the Hailee Steinfelds of the world as whites. A double standard would exist if those same people denied Africans the right to exclude New World blacks. But I have yet to hear anyone make that claim.

Dont listen lefties. You can be sure Obama is called black here in Spain.

Evidently the opinion that counts most is that of the native Spaniards, from Spain, those of us who painted the Altamira caves and say NO.

Funny how panchitos and triracials quickly call him Spanish

Reading some comments it seems that modern nations are like tribes of people all 'pure' and related amomg hem. It's obvious that this is very far from reality.
Today native and pure spaniards, like me for example, aren't homegeneus nor have the same origin.
We have had quite a few different people's 'contributions' to our present racial make-up. Even if some of those 'contributors' are not very desirable and loved nowadays, that don't erase them from existance.

Spaniards are not a tribe anymore, we're mixed people and main components of that mix are well documented in history. We're a very diverse people nowadays, that's why our range of looks and appearances is so wide.

With these antecedents in mind, if someone of almost full spanish ancestry is not considered spanish because he has some other little different thing in him, because he's not entirely pure, it's senseless.

Great, great, great lefty-like comment. The same could be applied to Germans, British, Russians etc. "We all are mixed GÑEEEE", "We are not pure at all GÑEEE".

CV, a doubt, do you consider the current King of Spain Felipe VI to be a Spaniard? Because as far as I remember he's not ''100% Spanish''

Which part of "to be Spanish you have to be 100% Spanish" dont you undertand?

Although Cristiano Viejo is not as strict as you all say, he considers me (even though I am 1/32 North Italian) and andalusians spaniards

No, I dont consider you Spaniard. Not because your imaginary and fictional Italian ancestry but because your Basque one.

Andalusians are Spaniards.

Jealous of them?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Reading some comments it seems that modern nations are like tribes of people all 'pure' and related amomg hem. It's obvious that this is very far from reality.
Today native and pure spaniards, like me for example, aren't homegeneus nor have the same origin.
We have had quite a few different people's 'contributions' to our present racial make-up. Even if some of those 'contributors' are not very desirable and loved nowadays, that don't erase them from existance.

Spaniards are not a tribe anymore, we're mixed people and main components of that mix are well documented in history. We're a very diverse people nowadays, that's why our range of looks and appearances is so wide.

With these antecedents in mind, if someone of almost full spanish ancestry is not considered spanish because he has some other little different thing in him, because he's not entirely pure, it's senseless.

It is amusing when you consider Franco and Picasso (Picasso is actually an Italian surname) have distant Italian ancestry (both are 1/8th Italian).

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

No, I dont consider you Spaniard. Not because your imaginary and fictional Italian ancestry but because your Basque one.

Andalusians are Spaniards.

Jealous of them?

If Basques aren't Spaniards then a significant number of important figures in Spanish history aren't Spaniards. The role of Basques in Spanish history and intellectual culture is over represented in Spanish history (when contrasting with their population size).

[Cristiano viejo]

If Basques aren't Spaniards then a great number of great minds, military men, politicians, etc. aren't Spaniards. Basques are over represented as significant figures in Spanish history.

Obviously I was joking and no, Basques have not been overrepresented in Spanish history. Castilians were. Basques always have been our vassals. Same than Galicians.

[mitalit]

Man, that is exactly my thought: people who are of FULL Spanish stock.

But you are not one of these.


I could not care less what you sudacas think about who is Spaniard or Martian. Of course you will think anyone could be what they want


You can not be both.


Spanish lefties, every lefty of the world really, will claim a Sudanese is Spaniard just if he thinks he is.
Papers mean nothing.


It is something more important even, it is Castilla.


THANKS FOR PROVING HE CAN NOT BE SPANIARD NOT EVEN IN SICK MINDS.


Los españoles no somos venezolanos, ni vietnamitas. Si no eres 100% español, no eres español, es algo muy sencillo.

Mírate tu apellido italiano y dime entonces que eres español, ¡JUAS!





Dont listen lefties. You can be sure Obama is called black here in Spain.


Funny how panchitos and triracials quickly call him Spanish


Great, great, great lefty-like comment. The same could be applied to Germans, British, Russians etc. "We all are mixed GÑEEEE", "We are not pure at all GÑEEE".


Which part of "to be Spanish you have to be 100% Spanish" dont you undertand?



No, I dont consider you Spaniard. Not because your imaginary and fictional Italian ancestry but because your Basque one.

Andalusians are Spaniards.

Jealous of them?

Jealous of the Andalusians or the Spaniards?
I miss the based Cristiano Viejo who claimed he had Basque ancestry and that Andalusians were not like the rest of the Spaniards. But now de have the new politically correct one who compares David Bisbal with Blas de Lezo...

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Obviously I was joking and no, Basques have not been overrepresented in Spanish history. Castilians were. Basques always have been our vassals. Same than Galicians.

Actually, Castilians are underrepresented (in contrast to their numbers).

According to J. I. Israel's Race, Class, and Politics in Colonial Mexico: 1610-1670 (pp. 112-113), Basques in the Spanish empire had a special universal claim to nobility:

Perhaps the most remarkable characteristic of Basque society was the possession by every Basque of noble status. In theory at least, anyone, wherever he lived, who could prove that he was descended directly and without admixture of impure blood from one of the familial lineages of Vizcaya or Guipúzcoa was recognized in Castilian law, and in the law of all the dependencies of Castile, as a noble. Furthermore, this unique birthright was acknowledged afresh with every succession to the Spanish throne and every new publication of the fueros or privileges of the Basque provinces.

Basques had special privileges that Castilians didn't have and so I find your comment about 'vassals' humorous. This is one of the reasons why they're overrepresented.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Jealous of the Andalusians or the Spaniards?
I miss the based Cristiano Viejo who claimed he had Basque ancestry and that Andalusians were not like the rest of the Spaniards. But now de have the new politically correct one who compares David Bisbal with Blas de Lezo...

CV says whatever he thinks he needs to say at the moment. For example, I remember when he said he liked Mexicans (probably because of the Mexican-American poster who hung off his nuts. I forget his name... Mn or something like that). Lately he has shown a dislike for Mexicans.

This is a person of a weak character.

I would love to hear what CV thinks about Franco's 1/8th Italian ancestry. I know he doesn't care about Picasso because he's swarthy, which is the reason why he didn't think Andalusians were real Spaniards (because of the stereotype of southern Spaniards being swarthy). When he visited Andalusia and saw they weren't as swarthy as he thought now they're perfectly fine.

[B01AB20]

juas... a que ahora va a resultar que alnorte es mas español que Franco si medimos la españolidad con los criterios de CV?