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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    I am living here for circumstances of my personal life that I don't wanna talk about in this forum. And I didn't live in Spain just to "pick up my passport". I was happy living in there, and I don't rule out the possibility of eventually returning there again.

    And I perfectly understand and respect your opinion. I just claim that it is legitimate that I feel Spain as my country (that would be my way of feeling Spanish), just like Venezuela, without pretending to be seen as exactly the same as a full blooded Spaniard born and raised in Spain (I was clear on that on my first post in the beginning of this thread). That being said, I don't see any reason for you and me to argue.
    We are not arguing at all, we are debating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    I also have a strict idea (but not as strict as yours) of who can be Spanish, and I am also against the concept of civic Nations, where everybody can be from that nation, resulting in multicultural fucked up states like France.

    You talk about me like if I was a complete alien to Spain, when I'm not. I have a lot of Spanish blood (And not only distant, like any Latino wannabe-Spanish, but including very recent from a full Spanish mom), and I have very strong family ties to Spain (all my maternal family being Spanish). Aside that I lived in Spain.

    I guess that you would not consider my two American born nieces American for not being full white Anglo, even if they are half Anglo-American because they are daughters of my full sister with two white Murican ex-husbands, and they look very average as fuck for white Murican standards, and only speak English, with very American accent and all that, because my sister made the stupidity of only talking to them in English and not in Spanish.
    That comment was in response to Dunai. I know your political views and was not suggesting you believe in civic nationalism. And your nieces? No, they're not American to me. Surely, you already knew that. With all the negative things you've said about America recently (while living here, I might add), the cultural differences between us and your utter lack of appreciation for America alone should make that obvious.

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    If galicians don't believe that sons of emigrated galicians who came back with children born and raised abroad are galicians or spaniards it's allright, they are not. But what does that imply? Are they discriminated or viewed as some kind of aliens for that?

    In little villages they use to call by the demonym to foreigners. If you come to live to a village of Zargoza from Soria they will call you 'el soriano', and even if you came from the nearest village they will call you with the demonym from that village.
    Does that imply that they don't accept you as 'one of us'?. In my own experience I can tell you that's not the case.

    If someone with full spanish ancestry born and raised in LatinAmerica come to Spain he will not be considered Spaniard, he's not. But that doesn't bring dramatic or negative consequences, he will be considered as someone very close and with a quite large common background with us.
    I totally second this.

    In Spain they perceived me as Venezuelan, but knowing that my mom is Spanish, and being the case that I look white like them and I integrated well, I was well accepted, and even if they considered me Venezuelan, at the same time they accepted me as somebody close to them, who shared a large common background with them, as you said. You explained it better than myself.

    Also, I was clear at the beginning of this thread that I am aware that somebody like me could never be Spaniard in the same way as a full blooded Spaniard born and raised in Spain, but yet there is nothing wrong if I feel Spain like my home, and if I also consider Spain my country, just like Venezuela is. That's the way I feel Spanish (no se si me explico bien).
    This makes a lot of sense. I don't disagree with anything said here. Perhaps this is a semantic disagreement. You aren't Spanish, but you feel Spanish. That is a statement I have no problem with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    That comment was in response to Dunai. I know your political views and was not suggesting you believe in civic nationalism. And your nieces? No, they're not American to me. Surely, you already knew that. With all the negative things you've said about America recently (while living here, I might add), the cultural differences between us and your utter lack of appreciation for America alone should make that obvious.
    Very funny that you don't consider my nieces American when they were born and raised in here, have never lived abroad, they only speak English, they're steeped in American culture and way of life, they hare half white Anglo, and they look very lily white and very average phenotype wise for white Murican standards, up to the point that if you came across with them you would never ever guess they are half Hispanic. That shows how amazingly narrow minded you're. I guess that you wouldn't consider Rita Hayworth, who was half Spaniard, real American.

    See, my older sister (mother of my two nieces) was born in here in the US but I don't consider her a real American, because besides of she not being white Anglo or having any mixture of white Anglo, or not having been in this country for several generations, she grew up in Venezuela and just happened to immigrate to this country (at the beginning to study) when she was a very young adult.

    I don't consider real American to these radical democrat pieces of shit, who besides of not being white and being of foreign origin, want to destroy US America as we know it, and I honestly think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to strip them out of the American citizenship and kick their asses out of this country:

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    But in the case of my nieces, of course that they ARE American. You don't have to be a full blooded white Anglo with both sides of your family being from here, and all of them full white Anglos, to be genuinely part of this country.

    Just to illustrate you how I think. That I don't think like stupid liberals, but I am not one drop ruler narrow minded like you either.

    I think this country should remain mostly white, but is not exclusive property of white Anglos any more, since the moment it also received large waves of Southern and eastern European immigrants. I don't oppose, however, that it maintains its majority Anglo-Germanic identity. You are in all your right to maintain that mainstream identity, but without despising people of other European origins and pretending that they're "less American".

    Where the fuck did you get that I have said negative things of this country as a whole, or that I have an utter lack of appreciation for it?? I all the time, in many different posts in this an other threads have said that I am on behalf of maintaining the majority European identity of this country for ever and ever.

    I have countless times made comments of how I despise antifa, BLM and all the bull shit liberals who want to burn this country down, and how I hate the Democrat and globalist elites agenda of "big replacement" by bringing in millions of non-white immigrants to this country. I have said that I am of the opinion that resentful blacks and those radical liberals who support them, regardless of the big differences of how things are nowadays compared to back in the 60s, that's still is not enough for them, and they want continue playing the race card, with bull shitty arguments like "systemic racism" and "white supremacy", because they seek to be granted a preferential treatment. Pretty much they want to be above the white majority of this country, which is something that I find outrageous.

    I however also despise close minded Anglo Centrist extremely xenophobic idiots, who think they are entitled to discriminate and treat like scum other people for not being white Anglo like them, or for being foreigners who don't speak perfect English (no matter if they are white or mostly European) like if they were sub-humans or something. Such people see non-Anglo people who also happen to not born and raised in this country as inferior beings. Well, we are even at that, since I also despise them and see them in the same way: as inferior beings, utterly stupid and ignorant.

    But dude, I am on your side, I have said that I want the best for this country because I live in here, and because what happens in this country affects the destiny of great part of the globe. If Democrats get their way with their "big replacement" and other issues of their radical left agenda, that would affect negatively Latin America and Europe, including Spain, which would end following the same negative multicultural/ultra liberal fate. And if a nationalist option like Trump or whatever other gets the control of this country, that would help Europe (including Spain) to follow a similar positive fate as US America.



    These are quotes that I posted on this same thread:

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    Don't say again that I don't appreciate this country, because is not true.



    This makes a lot of sense. I don't disagree with anything said here. Perhaps this is a semantic disagreement. You aren't Spanish, but you feel Spanish. That is a statement I have no problem with.
    I just said that is perfectly understandable that they saw me as Venezuelan and didn't see me the same way as a full blooded Spaniard born and raised in Spain, but yet they accepted me, and didn't see me as "different" as they would see a non-white immigrant in Spain. And knowing that my mom is Spanish they saw me as somebody who shared a lot of common background with them. And I think that's the right attitude, NOT a stupid one drop rule attitude of despising me for not being full Spanish and having the opinion that I should not be given the Spanish citizenship, despite of being son of a Spanish mother.

    And I AM Spanish, just that I am not Spanish in the same way as a full Spaniard born and raised in Spain, but yet I am an Overseas Spaniard, with a lot of common ancestry with full Spaniards from Spain, and who happens to have a full blooded Spanish parent. Aside that I am Spanish citizen.
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