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    Target: Hulu_scaled
    Distance: 2.5728% / 0.02572773 | ADC: 0.5x RC
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    Target: Adam_Scaled
    Distance: 2.7904% / 0.02790364 | ADC: 0.25x RC

    63.4 West-Maghrebian
    15.0 Northwest-African_Canarian
    9.6 Mediterranean-Islander_Sardinian
    6.0 Arabic_Yemeni
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Cannarians are a separate ethnic group, a mix of Spanish and Guanche people, they number around 1.5 million and they are pretty distant from Iberian people and islander populations deserve representation, especially when they are this numerous. Similar case is with Kuban Cossacks who are somewhat similar to Ukrainians and Russians, but still are not that close genetically, plus they have their own self-identity. Through this calculator I wanted to offer also representation to several populations who have their own identities and aren't very similar to any other population. A Spanish person who will get high Canarian shouldn't assume they have exactly Canarian ancestry, but Canarian-like ancestry, the two are different concepts.
    Won't say anything about the Canarians but the Cossacks are just Southern Russians/Eastern Ukrainians, don't trust that average, it's probably merely 2-3 samples from fuck knows where.

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    Target: Leto_scaled
    Distance: 1.1063% / 0.01106274
    34.4 Baltic
    19.4 Steppe-European_Kuban-Cossack
    16.4 Volga-Uralic_Chuvash
    13.4 West-Balkanic
    11.8 Eastcentral-European
    1.6 Arabic_Saudi
    1.4 Scandinavian
    1.0 Northern_Native-American
    0.2 North-Caucasian_Kumyk
    0.2 Northwestern_Native-American_Tlingit
    0.2 Southwest-Amerindian_Quechuan

    Target: Leto_scaled
    Distance: 1.2969% / 0.01296926 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    45.4 Eastern-European
    24.2 Steppe-European_Kuban-Cossack
    18.2 Volga-Uralic_Mordvin
    7.4 Volga-Uralic_Mari
    2.4 Volga-Uralic_Chuvash
    2.0 West-Balkanic
    0.4 Pannonian

    Target: Leto_scaled
    Distance: 1.5273% / 0.01527330 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    56.8 Volga-Uralic_Mordvin
    28.2 Steppe-European_Kuban-Cossack
    13.6 Pannonian
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    I think ADC: 0 and R5P fits the best for me, though the non-European elements are too inflated. But here we go...

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 1.7178% / 0.01717800 | R5P
    43.0 North-Italian
    40.0 Iberian
    8.2 Sahel_Fula
    6.4 Amazonian
    2.4 Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 1.6400% / 0.01640044
    39.6 North-Italian
    31.2 Iberian
    7.8 Atlanto-Mediterranean
    5.4 Amazonian
    4.8 West-Maghrebian
    4.4 Sahel_Fula
    2.6 North-Caucasian_North-Ossetian
    1.8 Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi
    1.2 Pigmy_Aka
    1.0 Southwest-Amerindian_Qullan
    0.2 West-African_Mada

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 1.7885% / 0.01788458 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    33.2 Northwest-African_Canarian
    29.6 North-Italian
    23.4 Iberian
    6.2 Amazonian
    3.2 Westcentral-African_Kongo
    3.0 North-Caucasian_Circassian
    0.8 Pigmy_Aka
    0.6 Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 2.6317% / 0.02631677 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    84.8 Northwest-African_Canarian
    8.0 West-Anatolian
    7.2 Southwest-Amerindian_Quechuan


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    0.05705176	Northwest-African_Canarian:Spanish_Canarias
    0.06829781	Iberian:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    0.07824807	North-Italian:Italian_Lombardy
    0.07866815	Mediterranean-Islander_Sicilian:Sicilian_West
    0.08469335	Jewish_Ashkenazi:Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.08538582	South-Balkanic:Albanian
    0.08585198	East-Balkanic:Bulgarian
    0.08773811	Central-Italian:Italian_Lazio
    0.08848319	Alpine:Swiss_German
    0.09107873	Western-European:French_Paris
    0.09306572	West-Balkanic:Serbian
    0.09307078	South-Italian:Italian_Calabria
    0.09978925	Atlanto-Mediterranean:Basque_Spanish
    0.10024663	Mediterranean-Islander_Cretan:Greek_Crete
    0.10038013	Pannonian:Hungarian
    0.10170663	Jewish_Sephardi:Sephardic_Jew
    0.10605772	Northwestern-European:Dutch
    0.10677254	British-Islander:English
    0.10818844	West-Anatolian:Turkish_Balikesir
    0.11237810	Roma_Iberia:Roma_Granada
    0.11671983	South-Anatolian:Turkish_Adana
    0.11971952	Scandinavian:Swedish
    0.12066173	Eastcentral-European:Slovakian
    0.12550667	Mediterranean-Islander_Cypriot:Cypriot
    0.12590760	Levantine_Syrian
    0.12822910	Mediterranean-Islander_Sardinian:Sardinian
    0.12931461	Eastern-European:Ukrainian
    0.13036999	Kumyk
    0.13036999	North-Caucasian_Kumyk:Kumyk
    0.13294370	Levantine_Druze:Druze
    0.13348175	Roma_Balkans:Roma_Balkans
    0.13418088	Levantine_Jordanian:Jordanian
    0.13442339	South-Caucasian_Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani
    0.13447683	North-Caucasian_Circassian:Circassian
    0.13850037	Volga-Uralic_Mordvin:Mordva_Erzya
    0.13988084	Steppe-European_Kuban-Cossack:Cossack_Kuban
    0.14180683	South-Caucasian_Udi:Udi
    0.14304416	Finnish:Finnish
    0.14364501	North-Caucasian_Chechen:Chechen
    0.14396745	Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi:Tajik_Yagnobi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestia View Post
    Here are my results and my mothers.

    We don't have any Dutch so I'm assuming our mix of French, German, Norwegian and English might be shifting us in that direction.


    Target: Celestia
    Distance: 2.0554% / 0.02055355 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    48.6 Northwestern-Europeanutch
    35.6 British-Islander:English
    13.8 Atlanto-Mediterranean:Basque_Spanish
    2.0 West-African_Yoruban:Yoruba



    Target:Celestia _scaled
    Distance: 2.2589% / 0.02258871 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    72.4 Northwestern-Europeanutch
    22.6 Iberian:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    3.6 West-African_Yoruban:Yoruba
    1.4 Southeast-African_Southeast-Bantu:Bantu_S.E.
    You should only focus on the regional results, and not on which sample it is based upon, since the sample's function should only be of a proxy, an approximation for that region. Don't even known why you also get displayed these proxy populations, for example you should only get Northwestern_European displayed, without the utch part and so on. Both you and your mom seem to be quite correctly labeled with 3/4 ancestry from broadly the Northwestern part of Europe, with some notable Atlanto-Med and minor West African added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post






    (I'm an ancestry researcher with 1000+ known direct ancestors. No one is from Scandinavia.)
    East Germans have a pretty unique genetic combination of both Western, Northern and East European admixture, that's why the calculator splits you in this way. It should be viewed as a modeling to which regions do you resemble the most, you shouldn't expect for such a calculator to figure out your exact ancestry. I didn't make a specific German regional category (minus Swiss Germans who serve as proxy for the Alpine region), since Germans vary quite a lot from region to region, and they can be modeled either way with their neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Actually I have North African region covered under the Maghrebian name. I only added the Canary Islands there because they are geographically in that region and since the locals are pretty unique, so I couldn't leave them out. That's why I also added Cannarian after the regional name, so people would known which specific kind of Northwest African ancestry they get and they wouldn't mix it up with the Maghreb type.
    If you want to show the "real" NW African ancestry from Canary islands you should use maybe the Canarian Guanches ancient reference (medieval).

    Simply use your calculator removing the Canarian reference and using it as target:

    Target: Northwest-African_Canarian:Spanish_Canarias
    Distance: 1.0042% / 0.01004225 | ADC: 0.25x RC

    75.6 Iberian
    14.6 Central-Maghrebian
    6.4 Central-Italian
    2.4 Mediterranean-Islander_Sardinian
    1.0 East-Meghrebian

    My two objections to using that reference would basically be:

    -You can call this African because of their geographical situation, but in my opinion, it´s wrong doing it and can be easily misunderstood, even adding "_Canarian" after this. Using nowadays Canarians to show NW African ancestry would be the same as using Afrikaners to show African ancestry and call it Southern Africa, or Zulu.

    -Simply it is counterproductive for the North Africans, and for the Iberians, since it will not correctly discriminate the Iberian component of the NAs or the NW African component of the Iberians (or anyone who usually obtains a mixture of these two components in these calculators).

    Anyway, it´s your calculator, so do what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    I think ADC: 0 and R5P fits the best for me, though the non-European elements are too inflated. But here we go...

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 1.7178% / 0.01717800 | R5P
    43.0 North-Italian
    40.0 Iberian
    8.2 Sahel_Fula
    6.4 Amazonian
    2.4 Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 1.6400% / 0.01640044
    39.6 North-Italian
    31.2 Iberian
    7.8 Atlanto-Mediterranean
    5.4 Amazonian
    4.8 West-Maghrebian
    4.4 Sahel_Fula
    2.6 North-Caucasian_North-Ossetian
    1.8 Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi
    1.2 Pigmy_Aka
    1.0 Southwest-Amerindian_Qullan
    0.2 West-African_Mada

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 1.7885% / 0.01788458 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    33.2 Northwest-African_Canarian
    29.6 North-Italian
    23.4 Iberian
    6.2 Amazonian
    3.2 Westcentral-African_Kongo
    3.0 North-Caucasian_Circassian
    0.8 Pigmy_Aka
    0.6 Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi

    Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
    Distance: 2.6317% / 0.02631677 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    84.8 Northwest-African_Canarian
    8.0 West-Anatolian
    7.2 Southwest-Amerindian_Quechuan


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    Distance to:	Alnortedelsur_scaled
    0.05705176	Northwest-African_Canarian:Spanish_Canarias
    0.06829781	Iberian:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    0.07824807	North-Italian:Italian_Lombardy
    0.07866815	Mediterranean-Islander_Sicilian:Sicilian_West
    0.08469335	Jewish_Ashkenazi:Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.08538582	South-Balkanic:Albanian
    0.08585198	East-Balkanic:Bulgarian
    0.08773811	Central-Italian:Italian_Lazio
    0.08848319	Alpine:Swiss_German
    0.09107873	Western-European:French_Paris
    0.09306572	West-Balkanic:Serbian
    0.09307078	South-Italian:Italian_Calabria
    0.09978925	Atlanto-Mediterranean:Basque_Spanish
    0.10024663	Mediterranean-Islander_Cretan:Greek_Crete
    0.10038013	Pannonian:Hungarian
    0.10170663	Jewish_Sephardi:Sephardic_Jew
    0.10605772	Northwestern-European:Dutch
    0.10677254	British-Islander:English
    0.10818844	West-Anatolian:Turkish_Balikesir
    0.11237810	Roma_Iberia:Roma_Granada
    0.11671983	South-Anatolian:Turkish_Adana
    0.11971952	Scandinavian:Swedish
    0.12066173	Eastcentral-European:Slovakian
    0.12550667	Mediterranean-Islander_Cypriot:Cypriot
    0.12590760	Levantine_Syrian
    0.12822910	Mediterranean-Islander_Sardinian:Sardinian
    0.12931461	Eastern-European:Ukrainian
    0.13036999	Kumyk
    0.13036999	North-Caucasian_Kumyk:Kumyk
    0.13294370	Levantine_Druze:Druze
    0.13348175	Roma_Balkans:Roma_Balkans
    0.13418088	Levantine_Jordanian:Jordanian
    0.13442339	South-Caucasian_Azerbaijani:Azerbaijani
    0.13447683	North-Caucasian_Circassian:Circassian
    0.13850037	Volga-Uralic_Mordvin:Mordva_Erzya
    0.13988084	Steppe-European_Kuban-Cossack:Cossack_Kuban
    0.14180683	South-Caucasian_Udi:Udi
    0.14304416	Finnish:Finnish
    0.14364501	North-Caucasian_Chechen:Chechen
    0.14396745	Southcentral-Asian_Yagnobi:Tajik_Yagnobi
    The 0.25X option does see your mainly Iberian component, since Canarians are largely Iberian but with important Berber admixture, plus also sees your Italian side very well, while both the Amerindian and SSA percentages are also quite close to your self-reported ancestry. Even the 0.5X option looks quite plausible. Mind you that you have quite a unique three-continental ancestry, but the calculator seems to pick up quite well the percentages from them.

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