Poles or Swedes/Norwegians, who have more phenotype overlap with Germans?

**princeton90** · 11-25-2021, 10:59 PM

Germans usually look more like Scandinavians than to Poles. There are lots of German nationals who are of Slavic descent and therefore you might think the other way around. However the Germans of Slavic descent are not included in sample averages (I hope you won’t ask me the reason because you have been told so many times previously).

**Regnera** · 11-26-2021, 05:53 AM

West Poles and Swedes,SW Norwegians don't look German.

**reboun** · 11-27-2021, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Regnera

West Poles and Swedes,SW Norwegians don't look German.

What about East Poles?

**Jana** · 11-27-2021, 06:44 PM

More overlap with Poles in my opinion, both have lot of brachycephalic square heads.

**Jana** · 11-27-2021, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by princeton90

Germans usually look more like Scandinavians than to Poles. There are lots of German nationals who are of Slavic descent and therefore you might think the other way around. However the Germans of Slavic descent are not included in sample averages (I hope you won’t ask me the reason because you have been told so many times previously).

That's a dumb thing to say since there are lot of Slavic immigrants with Swedish nationality in Sweden as well. Tens of millions of ethnic Germans have Slavic admixture and that doesn't come from immigrants lol.

**Immanenz** · 11-27-2021, 06:50 PM

Germans have more phenotype variation than both. They have people who look exactly like Poles also because of more recent immigration, while they have a lot "very similar to Scandinavian" type but not exactly Scando looking, because Scandos have their own elve drift/ too Northern , but Germans have a lot of Western types which Poles lack and are closer to the depigmented versions which can be found in Scandos.

**rothaer** · 11-27-2021, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by aruncaz

Yes, it might chance from region to region but according to my observations Germans look more Polish than they looks Scandinavian. My observations tell that Scandinavian look a bit different than Germans and Poles.

As a German with Eastern German ancestry that has lived in Sweden for almost two decades I can agree to that in tendency. You have a part of Germans in the Northwest that are closer to Swedish than to Poles. Then you have Eastern Germans (including all these from the eastern territories) that may be intermediate between Poles and Swedes. Phenotypically I'd guess them be closer to Poles. And then you have Southern Germans that are very different to both Swedes and Poles. BUT: If one appiles the question to these, I guess they are actually more remote from Swedes than from Poles. There is a small overlap with Poles while there is zero overlap with Swedes. Nevertheless they are remote from both Swedes and Poles.

**rothaer** · 11-27-2021, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by princeton90

However the Germans of Slavic descent are not included in sample averages (...)

This is not applicable. Have a look at this ethnicity map from abt. 1930. Red colour are Germans. All Germans east of the white line do have notable Slavic ancestry and hence are of (also) Slavic descent. Do you seriously think that half of the German people emerging area is ignored when it's about having reference samples?