Roma/Gypsies Are Most Closely Related To The Kashmiri Pandits

[Mortimer]

If they were average SA, then they would not be so woggy even after all the mixing.

By the way, they look clearly mixed regardless of their skintones. A lot of them its hard to tell exactly what they are because they are so ambiguous looking.

If they were 100% AASI they wouldnt be as woggy after the suppossed mixing if it were that much. Because someone 20% SSA isnt woggy that much either. And AASI is genetical distance closer then SSA. Thats why I think they are not that mixed, not even jews are and they are 2000 years longer around and ajdacent region were even part of roman empire before Christ.

[Borealis]

If they were 100% AASI they wouldnt be as woggy after the suppossed mixing if it were that much. Because someone 20% SSA isnt woggy that much either. And AASI is genetical distance closer then SSA. Thats why I think they are not that mixed, not even jews are and they are 2000 years longer around and ajdacent region were even part of roman empire before Christ.

Someone who is only 20% SSA will not be that woggy but if they also had alot of something semitic or iranian in them(like 40%), and the rest is SE European then they would be very woggy too on average. You are not understanding what Im saying. The issue is not only how much SA ancestry they have, its how little European they have.

Ashkenazi Jews by the way are 50% European(mostly southern European). And they moved directly from the Levant to Europe, there wasn't much time to mix. Gypsies are different because their migration route was much much longer, allowing for more mixing along the way. But yeah, I think for many Gypsies their SA amount is underestimated regardless.

Also, Jews can't really be compared to the Roma bc they always maintained a very distinct identity from the beginning due to their religion, whereas the Gypsies were just nomadic wanderers without a strong basis in their faith.

[Mortimer]

Someone who is only 20% SSA will not be that woggy but if they also had alot of something semitic or iranian in them(like 40%), and the rest is SE European then they would be very woggy too on average. You are not understanding what Im saying. The issue is not only how much SA ancestry they have, its how little European they have.

Ashkenazi Jews by the way are 50% European(mostly southern European). And they moved directly from the Levant to Europe, there wasn't much time to mix. Gypsies are different because their migration route was much much longer, allowing for more mixing along the way. But yeah, I think for many Gypsies their SA amount is underestimated regardless.

Also, Jews can't really be compared to the Roma bc they always maintained a very distinct identity from the beginning due to their religion, whereas the Gypsies were just nomadic wanderers without a strong basis in their faith.

I think someone 20% SSA and rest iranian or 40% iranian 40% european would look at least less woggy then a full gypsy, and more afghan with some ssa features. Even half indians half turks look less woggy then gypsies and just different. Gypsies have such a dark skin, almost black like, i dont know why, maybe it is epigenetics that they retained that dark skin, and the mix is more in their features i have no idea. Im saying what makes sense to me. And jews retained a ideology, but it was less shamed to mix with a jew then with a gypsy, it was shamed to mix with gypsies and gypsies lived outside the urban centers and towns, they lived seperate and europe was not that populated at that time, gypsies lived on the outskirts and no one wanted to mix with them, they had some stories that gypsies steal children or brides though.

[Mortimer]

Gypsies remind me the most of Rajasthanis. It is said that gypsies are from Rajasthan, I think they still look like that.

[Borealis]

I think someone 20% SSA and rest iranian or 40% iranian 40% european would look at least less woggy then a full gypsy, and more afghan with some ssa features. Even half indians half turks look less woggy then gypsies and just different. Gypsies have such a dark skin, almost black like, i dont know why, maybe it is epigenetics that they retained that dark skin, and the mix is more in their features i have no idea. Im saying what makes sense to me. And jews retained a ideology, but it was less shamed to mix with a jew then with a gypsy, it was shamed to mix with gypsies and gypsies lived outside the urban centers and towns, they lived seperate and europe was not that populated at that time, gypsies lived on the outskirts and no one wanted to mix with them, they had some stories that gypsies steal children or brides though.

Could be epigenetics and selection. High poverty

[VikLevaPatel]

As the Gypsies originate in India, where U6 is practically absent, they must have acquired these maternal lineages by admixture with Mediterranean populations during their long migratory history.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...%20history.%20

So, erm, yes, then they MUST have.

Through borrowing, gene flow, genetic admixture, or similar processes.

Just like the evolutionary history of the Jewish Diasporas can be observed in the genomes of Jewish people by patterns of admixture.

Moreover, a high degree of European admixture (30–60%) is observed in Jewish populations, and especially among Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Italian and Syrian Jews.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7532525

Here's another interesting finding. But it's really a no-brainer.

And use of population-specific alleles has shown European admixture to be considerably higher in African-Americans than in their Jamaican counterparts.

Well, that's not surprising. Not in the least.

The average African-American genome, for example, is nearly a quarter European.

And DNA studies have shown that perhaps as many as 35% of African Americans carry a Y chromosome of European origin.

Recent studies have proposed recent admixture from non-African to African populations, and another (Gallego Llorente et al. 2015) has shown that there is European gene flow back into many regions of Africa.

Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup U6 itself has been considered as a molecular signal of a Paleolithic return to North Africa of modern humans from southwestern Asia.

The history of the North African mitochondrial DNA haplogroup U6 gene flow into the African, Eurasian and American continents

BMC Evol Biol. 2014; 14: 109.

Haplogroup U6 - Wikidata

[VikLevaPatel]

Y STRs provided substantially stronger discriminatory power in the Pakistani Roma population. The outcome showed the gene flow from Pakistan to India and from Europe to Pakistan. Moreover, the dominance of the R haplogroup in the Roma population from Pakistan showed the west Eurasian ancestry like other Pakistani populations, in addition to their shared linguistic, cultural affinities, which may have impacted the paternal genetic landscape of Roma people across the world.

Adnan, A.; Rakha, A.; Lazim, H.; Nazir, S.; Al-Qahtani, W.S.; Abdullah Alwaili, M.; Hadi, S.; Wang, C.-C. Are Roma People Descended from the Punjab Region of Pakistan: A Y-Chromosomal Perspective. Genes 2022, 13, 532. https://doi.org/10.3390/genes13030532

https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/13/3/532/pdf

Gypsies are a separate ethnic group living in Pakistan and some other countries as well. They are mostly known as ‘Roma’ and ‘untouchables’. They have different types of lifestyles as compared to other common people, as they always keep migrating from one place to another. They do not have proper houses; they live in tent houses and most probably work on daily wages to earn their living. Gypsies cannot be specified according to the place of residence and can only be classified according to their migration route. Previous historical and linguistic research showed the north Indian origin of Roma people. The present study collected 285 unrelated Roma individuals living in Punjab and typed with the Goldeneye Y20 system. Allelic frequencies ranged between 0.0035 and 0.5266, with haplotype diversity (HD) of 0.9999 and discrimination capacity (DC) of 0.8790. Gene diversity (GD) ranged from 0.6489 (DYS391) to 0.9764 (DYS391) (DY385ab). A total of 223 unique alleles were observed. Interestingly, the haplogroup R accounted for 40.56% and J for 22.06%. In MDS analysis, Pakistani Roma formed a close cluster with Roma from Constanta, Romania. The migration pattern of the Roma population from Pakistan, India and Europe was inferred using coalescence theory in the Migrate-n program. Overlapping Y-STR data were used to test different migration models. These migration models showed us the dominant gene flow from Pakistan to India and Europe to Pakistan. The results of our study showed that Y STRs provided substantially stronger discriminatory power in the Pakistani Roma population.

https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/13/3/532

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