Plymouth vs Jamestown

[Anglo-Celtic]

"To be a Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's mother's side is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to any foreign country and a benediction from the Almighty God. "

Thanks for the historical quote (Robert E. Lee?). You still have your daddy's genes, which makes you half Yankee. ;-)

[Smitty]

In general, one's mother's side is considered more significant. Also, according to Jewish law, you're only Jewish if your mother is Jewish. You can't really be Jewish from your dad's side. I am not Jewish , especially in that case, since my mother's side is definitely non Jewish.

No, truly and incontrovertibly, one's father's side is considered more significant in almost all societies on Earth, and certainly in the West and within Christianity, Mr. Haufe. I guess you're Jewish? Why else would you be citing Jewish law at me? I'm not Jewish. You claim you're not Jewish. So what does either of us care how Jews identify Jews?

[Smitty]

Thanks for the historical quote (Robert E. Lee?). You still have your daddy's genes, which makes you half Yankee. ;-)

Key word in the quote: "even." Being Virginian on one's mother's side is the least of all claims to being a Virginian, less even than being Virginian by marriage or adoption.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Key word in the quote: "even." Being Virginian on one's mother's side is the least of all claims to being a Virginian, less even than being Virginian by marriage or adoption.

Jewish people trace their children's lineages through their mothers. Richmondbread still has a chance, as well as a way to cope with his OSD (Off Southerner Disorder), of which I'm a sufferer too.

[Richmondbread]

Thanks for the historical quote (Robert E. Lee?). You still have your daddy's genes, which makes you half Yankee. ;-)

He's not a Yankee because his people were not here during the Late Unpleasantness.

[Richmondbread]

Key word in the quote: "even." Being Virginian on one's mother's side is the least of all claims to being a Virginian, less even than being Virginian by marriage or adoption.

You sadly misinterpret everything. It says even on one's mother's and not father's side. Even on one's mothers side is more desirable. Your mother gave birth to you. I was in the womb of a Virginian.

[Richmondbread]

No, truly and incontrovertibly, one's father's side is considered more significant in almost all societies on Earth, and certainly in the West and within Christianity, Mr. Haufe. I guess you're Jewish? Why else would you be citing Jewish law at me? I'm not Jewish. You claim you're not Jewish. So what does either of us care how Jews identify Jews?

How is the father's side more important? In some cases you can't even prove who the father is, but almost always you know where the mother is from.

[Smitty]

You sadly misinterpret everything. It says even on one's mother's and not father's side. Even on one's mothers side is more desirable. Your mother gave birth to you. I was in the womb of a Virginian.

This is basic reading comprehension, Richmondbread. You are the one grossly misinterpreting that quote. You were in the womb of a Virginian, but it wasn't a Virginian who put you there, and that's what counts.

How is the father's side more important? In some cases you can't even prove who the father is, but almost always you know where the mother is from.

I have no desire to defend obvious realities. The ability to prove who the father is is irrelevant. It may be more difficult, but it is much more important. You carry your father's surname. You carry his yDNA. Your paternal lineage defines your clan (see the Old and New Testaments). Families have always been traced by the father's line. Where the father was unknowable, the child was called a bastard and suffered enormous stigma. This would not have been the case if the mother was all that mattered.

You're a man. Be one. Stop taking your identity from your mother. Or I'll have to start referring to you as Mrs. Haufe.

[Andullero]

This is basic reading comprehension, Richmondbread. You are the one grossly misinterpreting that quote. You were in the womb of a Virginian, but it wasn't a Virginian who put you there, and that's what counts.



I have no desire to defend obvious realities. The ability to prove who the father is is irrelevant. It may be more difficult, but it is much more important. You carry your father's surname. You carry his yDNA. Your paternal lineage defines your clan (see the Old and New Testaments). Families have always been traced by the father's line. Where the father was unknowable, the child was called a bastard and suffered enormous stigma. This would not have been the case if the mother was all that mattered.

You're a man. Be one. Stop taking your identity from your mother. Or I'll have to start referring to you as Mrs. Haufe.

You forgot the most important fact: Bastardy have always been frowned upon in the Germanic world, since time immemorial. That's why it was always important to know who the father was, specially among royalty.