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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Before this, I thought native Peninsular Arabs including Saudis and Yemenis would be the one of the only West Asian-North African group besides Samaritans, Georgians (surprisingly despite their close geographical proximity to the Pontic Caspian Steppe), Trabzon Turks, Hemsheni Armenians and Egyptians to have negligible noise level to literally zero steppe.
    Impossible. There’s a 0% chance that Armenians, Georgians, and Trabazon Turks have been totally isolated from their neighbors for the last 4000 years. You would need a ton of evidence to show that these populations haven’t mixed with their neighbors. G25 certainly doesn’t qualify as such.

    Also remember that Saudis of today are not the Saudis of 3000 years ago. Oil has done wonders in attracting people from Central, South and West Asia into Arabia over the past 100 years. This has introduced all sorts of non native haplogroups and admixture into the Saudi gene pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashail View Post
    R1a in West Asia is the highest among Bedouin in Kuwait more than 40% its higher than Iran.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a#Asia

    R1a1a has been found in various forms, in most parts of Western Asia, in widely varying concentrations, from almost no presence in areas such as Jordan, to much higher levels in parts of Kuwait and Iran. The Shimar (Shammar) Bedouin tribe in Kuwait show the highest frequency in the Middle East at 43%.

    Wells 2001, noted that in the western part of the country, Iranians show low R1a1a levels, while males of eastern parts of Iran carried up to 35% R1a1a. Nasidze et al. 2004 found R1a1a in approximately 20% of Iranian males from the cities of Tehran and Isfahan. Regueiro 2006 in a study of Iran, noted much higher frequencies in the south than the north.
    Kuwaitis have mixed with Arabs who have mixed with Bakoch and S. Asians not to mention Persians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    Well some Yemeni Amran, Dhamar and Jew individuals were scoring in the 5-7% range which is pretty significant for the region. That's average Lebanese Christian level of steppe. You are right regarding the geographical proximity of Arabia to neighboring regions.

    Target: Yemenite_Amran:Y519
    Distance: 2.9158% / 0.02915813
    46.2 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    33.2 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    7.4 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
    6.6 ANA_(simulated)
    4.0 Yoruba
    2.2 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.4 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Amran:Y540
    Distance: 2.8625% / 0.02862513
    48.4 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    26.6 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    8.4 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    7.6 ANA_(simulated)
    6.2 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
    2.8 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Amran:Y544
    Distance: 3.5974% / 0.03597362
    46.8 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    34.8 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    7.2 ANA_(simulated)
    5.8 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
    2.8 Yoruba
    1.6 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.6 ETH_4500BP
    0.4 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar:Y037
    Distance: 3.5466% / 0.03546650
    49.2 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    28.6 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    7.2 ANA_(simulated)
    7.0 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    5.2 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
    2.8 Yoruba

    Target: Yemenite_Jew:YemeniteJew4960
    Distance: 3.7142% / 0.03714195
    50.2 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    31.2 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    8.6 ANA_(simulated)
    5.0 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
    3.6 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.4 Dinka
    The problem seems to lie with the fact that you are using simulations. There are already legitimate samples for Natufians and ANA(Taforalt is Iberomaurisian which contains ANA). You don't need to make simulations for those. The problem with G25 simulations is that while they can help bring a better fit, they are usually imperfect and create weird shifts in certain directions. In thise case it's probably causing the Yemenites to take in steppe when they otherwise shouldn't(or only a noise level). Let me demonstrate with proper samples:

    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 5.1837% / 0.05183688
    58.8 Levant_Natufian
    25.8 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    15.4 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 4.5541% / 0.04554080
    48.6 Levant_Natufian
    31.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    20.4 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 4.9745% / 0.04974469
    46.8 Levant_Natufian
    33.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    20.2 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 3.9429% / 0.03942943
    46.0 Levant_Natufian
    32.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    20.0 Levant_PPNC
    2.0 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 3.6153% / 0.03615322
    42.2 Levant_Natufian
    34.4 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    19.6 Levant_PPNC
    2.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    1.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 5.0915% / 0.05091510
    50.6 Levant_Natufian
    29.8 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    19.6 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 4.1763% / 0.04176294
    50.8 Levant_Natufian
    26.4 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    18.0 Levant_PPNC
    4.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 ETH_4500BP

    See, no/noise level steppe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    The problem seems to lie with the fact that you are using simulations. There are already legitimate samples for Natufians and ANA(Taforalt is Iberomaurisian which contains ANA). You don't need to make simulations for those. The problem with G25 simulations is that while they can help bring a better fit, they are usually imperfect and create weird shifts in certain directions. In thise case it's probably causing the Yemenites to take in steppe when they otherwise shouldn't(or only a noise level). Let me demonstrate with proper samples:

    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 5.1837% / 0.05183688
    58.8 Levant_Natufian
    25.8 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    15.4 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 4.5541% / 0.04554080
    48.6 Levant_Natufian
    31.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    20.4 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 4.9745% / 0.04974469
    46.8 Levant_Natufian
    33.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    20.2 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 3.9429% / 0.03942943
    46.0 Levant_Natufian
    32.0 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    20.0 Levant_PPNC
    2.0 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 3.6153% / 0.03615322
    42.2 Levant_Natufian
    34.4 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    19.6 Levant_PPNC
    2.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    1.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 5.0915% / 0.05091510
    50.6 Levant_Natufian
    29.8 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    19.6 Levant_PPNC

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 4.1763% / 0.04176294
    50.8 Levant_Natufian
    26.4 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
    18.0 Levant_PPNC
    4.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 ETH_4500BP

    See, no/noise level steppe.
    I thought the reason for these simulations is to estimate the amount of ANA admixture in Natufians and Taforalt by separating them from the two components? Btw I got these simulations from here. Many people have also been using them on Anthrogenica to measure the amount of ANA blood in these ancients.

    Doesn't Levant_Natufian hide the African blood (ANA) in Yemenis and other Arabians? That's why I think using these simulations are better. I feel like Natufian is absorbing additional SSA ancestry in Yemenis and Saudis since Natufian is Iberomaurusian (which contains ANA which is African) + Anatolian_N from what I learnt in Anthrogenica. They tend to score SSA/Negroid in older calculators. If I don't use the simulators, this is what I get:

    Target: BedouinB
    Distance: 3.7747% / 0.03774687
    72.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    25.6 Levant_Natufian
    2.4 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 4.2354% / 0.04235423
    76.4 Levant_JOR_EBA
    21.8 Levant_Natufian
    1.8 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 3.3354% / 0.03335449
    76.4 Levant_JOR_EBA
    18.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.0 Dinka
    0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

    0.2 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 3.8947% / 0.03894683
    76.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    21.0 Levant_Natufian
    2.2 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 2.8331% / 0.02833050
    83.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    9.0 Levant_Natufian
    3.8 Dinka
    3.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.4 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 2.8590% / 0.02858991
    79.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    15.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.8 Dinka
    0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 3.8823% / 0.03882316
    82.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    14.8 Levant_Natufian
    2.4 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 3.4558% / 0.03455781
    79.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    17.8 Levant_Natufian
    3.2 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 4.0399% / 0.04039943
    65.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    35.0 Levant_Natufian

    Anyway it looks Yemenites from Amran are the most Northern-shifted (Steppe) even if there IE blood is very tiny level. So I believe you are right. Other groups that literally noise to completely lack Steppe in the MENA region are Western Georgians, Samaritans, Hemsheni Armenians, Trabzon Turks and Egyptians?
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    I’m from Iraq here are my results.

    Target: 7.62x39_scaled
    Distance: 5.8782% / 0.05878161
    53.4 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
    34.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
    10.6 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
    1.0 Levant_PPNB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    I thought the reason for these simulations is to estimate the amount of ANA admixture in Natufians and Taforalt by separating them from the two components? Btw I got these simulations from here. Many people have also been using them on Anthrogenica to measure the amount of ANA blood in these ancients.

    Doesn't Levant_Natufian hide the African blood (ANA) in Yemenis and other Arabians? That's why I think using these simulations are better. They tend to score SSA/Negroid in older calculators.

    Anyway it looks Yemenites from Amran are the most Northern-shifted (Steppe) even if there IE blood is very tiny level. So I believe you are right. Other groups that literally noise to completely lack Steppe in the MENA region are Western Georgians, Samaritans, Hemsheni Armenians, Trabzon Turks and Egyptians?
    Yes, that is a valid reason that someone might want to break Natufian and Iberomarusian up, that is to separate the west asian and SSA components within those two. However, there is always a drawback with the simulations. I don't believe steppe ancestry reached Arabia aside from the Khaleej(Gulf) where the people came into contact with Persians and South Asians, and even then it's probably quite minor.

    Not entirely sure about Egyptians but most of those groups that you mentioned while lacking proper Indo-Iranian ancestry still have a lot of ANE so they're not comparable to say Yemenites and Samaritans who are very ANE depressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    Yes, that is a valid reason that someone might want to break Natufian and Iberomarusian up, that is to separate the west asian and SSA components within those two. However, there is always a drawback with the simulations. I don't believe steppe ancestry reached Arabia aside from the Khaleej(Gulf) where the people came into contact with Persians and South Asians, and even then it's probably quite minor.

    Not entirely sure about Egyptians but most of those groups that you mentioned while lacking proper Indo-Iranian ancestry still have a lot of ANE so they're not comparable to say Yemenites and Samaritans who are very ANE depressed.
    I see. By drawback, you are referring to the simulations creating weird shifts and giving strange results inconsistent with other calculators? I feel like Natufian is absorbing additional SSA ancestry in Yemenis and Saudis since Natufian is Iberomaurusian (which contains ANA which is African) + Anatolian_N from what I learnt in Anthrogenica. They tend to score SSA/Negroid in older calculators. If I don't use the simulators, this is what I get:

    Target: BedouinB
    Distance: 3.7747% / 0.03774687
    72.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    25.6 Levant_Natufian
    2.4 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 4.2354% / 0.04235423
    76.4 Levant_JOR_EBA
    21.8 Levant_Natufian
    1.8 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 3.3354% / 0.03335449
    76.4 Levant_JOR_EBA
    18.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.0 Dinka
    0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.2 ETH_4500BP


    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 3.8947% / 0.03894683
    76.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    21.0 Levant_Natufian
    2.2 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 2.8331% / 0.02833050
    83.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    9.0 Levant_Natufian
    3.8 Dinka
    3.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.4 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 2.8590% / 0.02858991
    79.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    15.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.8 Dinka
    0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 3.8823% / 0.03882316
    82.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    14.8 Levant_Natufian
    2.4 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 3.4558% / 0.03455781
    79.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    17.8 Levant_Natufian
    3.2 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 4.0399% / 0.04039943
    65.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    35.0 Levant_Natufian

    Seems like most Yemenis and other Peninsular Arabs do have Negroid (mainly Dinka) even if it is very minor. When using those simulated coordinates though, it looks like they also have a second layer of African blood that is ANA besides the Nilo-Saharan (or in some cases Bantu) admixture.

    Target: BedouinB
    Distance: 4.1984% / 0.04198404
    60.2 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.2 ANA_(simulated)
    4.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.4 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP


    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 4.3350% / 0.04334959
    61.0 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    26.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.2 ANA_(simulated)
    2.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    0.8 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 3.1301% / 0.03130143
    55.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    26.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.4 ANA_(simulated)
    7.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    3.0 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP


    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 3.9048% / 0.03904784
    58.4 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.6 ANA_(simulated)
    6.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    1.6 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 3.0676% / 0.03067559
    48.0 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    28.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    13.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    7.6 ANA_(simulated)
    2.2 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 3.2726% / 0.03272626
    52.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    25.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    10.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.2 ANA_(simulated)
    3.6 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 3.9476% / 0.03947637
    56.4 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    26.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    7.8 ANA_(simulated)
    1.8 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 3.6420% / 0.03642035
    55.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.0 ANA_(simulated)
    2.6 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 3.3916% / 0.03391639
    64.4 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    10.0 ANA_(simulated)
    1.4 TUR_Barcin_N


    And it looks like the SSA blood in Yemenis, Saudis and other Arabians come from Cushitic/Horner ancestry?

    Target: BedouinB
    Distance: 3.7188% / 0.03718807
    67.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    24.6 Levant_Natufian
    5.4 Ethiopian_Amhara
    2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 4.1158% / 0.04115752
    69.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    24.6 Levant_Natufian
    3.2 Ethiopian_Amhara
    3.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 2.9585% / 0.02958466
    64.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    22.0 Levant_Natufian
    7.8 Ethiopian_Amhara
    5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 3.7606% / 0.03760618
    72.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    20.4 Levant_Natufian
    5.2 Ethiopian_Amhara
    1.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 2.3639% / 0.02363855
    73.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    11.4 Levant_Natufian
    7.8 Ethiopian_Amhara
    7.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 2.5665% / 0.02566545
    72.2 Levant_JOR_EBA
    14.2 Levant_Natufian
    10.6 Ethiopian_Amhara
    3.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 3.7325% / 0.03732538
    76.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    15.4 Levant_Natufian
    5.2 Ethiopian_Amhara
    2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 3.2867% / 0.03286711
    75.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    16.0 Levant_Natufian
    7.4 Ethiopian_Amhara
    1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 3.9510% / 0.03950985
    58.2 Levant_JOR_EBA
    38.4 Levant_Natufian
    3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    I see. I did some runs on Egyptians and they seem to have very minor IE, its less than Maghrebis and Levantines but more than most Arabs of the Peninsula. True those groups still have loads of ANE. Do you why Samaritans seem to have noise to literally lacking Steppe unlike most Levantines? Endogamy and refusal to intermarry with invading Greeks, Persians, Assyrians and other outsiders in the Levant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joqool View Post
    I see. By drawback, you are referring to the simulations creating weird shifts and giving strange results inconsistent with other calculators? I feel like Natufian is absorbing additional SSA ancestry in Yemenis and Saudis since Natufian is Iberomaurusian (which contains ANA which is African) + Anatolian_N from what I learnt in Anthrogenica. They tend to score SSA/Negroid in older calculators. If I don't use the simulators, this is what I get:

    Target: BedouinB
    Distance: 3.7747% / 0.03774687
    72.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    25.6 Levant_Natufian
    2.4 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 4.2354% / 0.04235423
    76.4 Levant_JOR_EBA
    21.8 Levant_Natufian
    1.8 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 3.3354% / 0.03335449
    76.4 Levant_JOR_EBA
    18.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.0 Dinka
    0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.2 ETH_4500BP


    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 3.8947% / 0.03894683
    76.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    21.0 Levant_Natufian
    2.2 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 2.8331% / 0.02833050
    83.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    9.0 Levant_Natufian
    3.8 Dinka
    3.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.4 ETH_4500BP

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 2.8590% / 0.02858991
    79.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    15.8 Levant_Natufian
    4.8 Dinka
    0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 3.8823% / 0.03882316
    82.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    14.8 Levant_Natufian
    2.4 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 3.4558% / 0.03455781
    79.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    17.8 Levant_Natufian
    3.2 Dinka

    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 4.0399% / 0.04039943
    65.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    35.0 Levant_Natufian

    Seems like most Yemenis and other Peninsular Arabs do have Negroid (mainly Dinka) even if it is very minor. When using those simulated coordinates though, it looks like they also have a second layer of African blood that is ANA besides the Nilo-Saharan (or in some cases Bantu) admixture.

    Target: BedouinB
    Distance: 4.1984% / 0.04198404
    60.2 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.2 ANA_(simulated)
    4.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.4 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP


    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 4.3350% / 0.04334959
    61.0 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    26.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.2 ANA_(simulated)
    2.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    0.8 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 3.1301% / 0.03130143
    55.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    26.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.4 ANA_(simulated)
    7.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    3.0 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP


    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 3.9048% / 0.03904784
    58.4 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.6 ANA_(simulated)
    6.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    1.6 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 3.0676% / 0.03067559
    48.0 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    28.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    13.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    7.6 ANA_(simulated)
    2.2 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 3.2726% / 0.03272626
    52.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    25.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    10.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.2 ANA_(simulated)
    3.6 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 3.9476% / 0.03947637
    56.4 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    26.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    7.8 ANA_(simulated)
    1.8 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 3.6420% / 0.03642035
    55.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.0 ANA_(simulated)
    2.6 Dinka


    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 3.3916% / 0.03391639
    64.4 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    24.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    10.0 ANA_(simulated)
    1.4 TUR_Barcin_N

    I see. I did some runs on Egyptians and they seem to have very minor IE, its less than Maghrebis and Levantines but more than most Arabs of the Peninsula. True those groups still have loads of ANE. Do you why Samaritans seem to have noise to literally lacking Steppe unlike most Levantines? Endogamy and refusal to intermarry with invading Greeks, Persians, Assyrians and other outsiders in the Levant?
    Yes. They are endogamous relic pop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    Yes. They are endogamous relic pop
    I heard they are purest locals and closest to Bronze Age Levantines like Sidon_MBA. Ancient Israelites,Judeans and Canaanites must be genetically identical to Samaritans. I have seen many models where Samaritans can be model as whopping 90-95%+ Bronze Age Levantine such as Sidon_MBA, Hazor, Megiddo_MLBA! The genetic continuity is amazing and insane. Not even Lebanese and Palestinian Christians are that autochthonous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    Yes. They are endogamous relic pop
    I notice Yemenis from Amran have slightly more Steppe affinity than other Peninsular Arabs even if its at negligible levels. Run some models on them and it seems they have substantial Levantine-like admixture compared to other Arabian inhabitants.

    And it looks like the SSA blood in Yemenis, Saudis and other Arabians come from Cushitic/Horner ancestry?

    Target: BedouinB
    Distance: 3.7188% / 0.03718807
    67.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    24.6 Levant_Natufian
    5.4 Ethiopian_Amhara
    2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Saudi
    Distance: 4.1158% / 0.04115752
    69.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    24.6 Levant_Natufian
    3.2 Ethiopian_Amhara
    3.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Bayda
    Distance: 2.9585% / 0.02958466
    64.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    22.0 Levant_Natufian
    7.8 Ethiopian_Amhara
    5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    Distance: 3.7606% / 0.03760618
    72.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    20.4 Levant_Natufian
    5.2 Ethiopian_Amhara
    1.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Amran
    Distance: 2.3639% / 0.02363855
    73.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    11.4 Levant_Natufian
    7.8 Ethiopian_Amhara
    7.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Dhamar
    Distance: 2.5665% / 0.02566545
    72.2 Levant_JOR_EBA
    14.2 Levant_Natufian
    10.6 Ethiopian_Amhara
    3.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 3.7325% / 0.03732538
    76.8 Levant_JOR_EBA
    15.4 Levant_Natufian
    5.2 Ethiopian_Amhara
    2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Ma'rib
    Distance: 3.2867% / 0.03286711
    75.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
    16.0 Levant_Natufian
    7.4 Ethiopian_Amhara
    1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Yemenite_Mahra
    Distance: 3.9510% / 0.03950985
    58.2 Levant_JOR_EBA
    38.4 Levant_Natufian
    3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

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