Romanian police

[Oliver109]

By the way I don't buy this class difference thing for country like Romania, or any country in the surrounding. It's not the UK.
Romania is still very rural and vast majority of it's urban dwellers moved to the cities from villages not that long ago, so they can't look any different. Same applies to Croatia, Hungary or whatever other country in vicinity.

Those were agrarian countries which were industralized during 20th century when many people moved into cities and most of them have recent rural ancesty.
Deeply rooted urban class was exremely minor percentage of population and they likely do look different because of more foreign ancestry.

People with Jewish, German, Aromanian ancestry etc are more likely to be found among people who live in cities for generations, so they may look different, but as I said, real deeply rooted urban dwellers in this area are very, very few.

Therefore I really don't think urban or upper class full Romanians look any different from working class and poorer ones, except in grooming, diet and similar.

You may not be that familiar with Spain but would you say there is a class difference in phenotypes in Spain? i think that richer Spaniards in Spain tend to be more Nordid, even the wealthier Spanish tourists that i see in London tend to be more on the light side as opposed to very Med.

[Jana]

You may not be that familiar with Spain but would you say there is a class difference in phenotypes in Spain? i think that richer Spaniards in Spain tend to be more Nordid, even the wealthier Spanish tourists that i see in London tend to be more on the light side as opposed to very Med.

No idea. But all I know is that Spaniards are heavily darkwashed on these boards. My father travelled Spain extensively and said blonds/gingers or Nordid types are relatively common. Therefore I don't think it's class related.
Iberians are very homogenous. If by upper class you mean royalty or nobility, these people usually have foreigner mixed ancestry like in most Euro countries.

[Oliver109]

No idea. But all I know is that Spaniards are heavily darkwashed on these boards. My father travelled Spain extensively and said blonds/gingers or Nordid types are relatively common. Therefore I don't think it's class related.
Iberians are very homogenous. If by upper class you mean royalty or nobility, these people usually have foreigner mixed ancestry like in most Euro countries.

I think it depends what one means by common, for example if you see a school class pic of Spaniards there will nearly always be a blonde in it but 1 in 30 is not that common in my view but then getting back to the main topic at hand i think Romanians have quite a variety of looks as seen here, do you think they are lighter than Bulgarians even though they are less Slavic?

[Jana]

I think it depends what one means by common, for example if you see a school class pic of Spaniards there will nearly always be a blonde in it but 1 in 30 is not that common in my view but then getting back to the main topic at hand i think Romanians have quite a variety of looks as seen here, do you think they are lighter than Bulgarians even though they are less Slavic?

Yeah, I think Romanians are overall bit lighter than Bulgarians despite looking less Slavic on average.

[ixulescu]

Very southestern European looking. Like Meds with steppe flair. Very representative pics IMO. Interesting how they don't resemble Bulgarians that much at all IMO (Romanians are quite more gracile and less Slavic looking). If had to chose, I would say they look primairly southern European with eastern twist.

We agree here, in the sense that Meds are surprisingly common in this group, that many have visible steppe traits, and that they are distinguishable from Bulgarians (more gracile than Bulgarians).

[ixulescu]

By the way I don't buy this class difference thing for country like Romania, or any country in the surrounding. It's not the UK.
Romania is still very rural and vast majority of it's urban dwellers moved to the cities from villages not that long ago, so they can't look any different. Same applies to Croatia, Hungary or whatever other country in vicinity.

I would like to nuance this a bit. I doubt there are significant autosomal differences between rural, working class urban and middle class urban in Romania, much like you said. However, this is not scholarly proven, and research might bring surprises. Rural population was not the same everywhere in Romania: there were differences between mountain villages and low lands villages, market villages and farming villages, etc. In terms of haplogroups Romania is very diverse compared to other European countries, and yet balanced (there are 5 major haplogroups present in Romania) - this also brings phenotypical complexity.

You can see how work requirements bias a phenotypical sample even when drawn from the same population, for instance when you compare the Romanian police with the Romanian armed forces (see this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...anian-military). You can immediately notice that the Romanian police is far more Med, shorter and more gracile looking than the armed forces.







You can also compare the police and army phenos with those of middle class Romanians - it is obvious that middle class Romanians have less steppe influence and the Slavic influence is more biased towards Central Euro than Eastern Euro (South Slavic influence stays the same):

[Sandis]

I created autosomal PCA with Romanians and 4 of the closest populations. Some cluster with Bulgarians, some with eastern shifted Serbians. Macedonians and Montenegrins are close on average, but sample size is low. It's bad that we don't have regional data:

[coolfrenchguy]

I would like to nuance this a bit. I doubt there are significant autosomal differences between rural, working class urban and middle class urban in Romania, much like you said. However, this is not scholarly proven, and research might bring surprises. Rural population was not the same everywhere in Romania: there were differences between mountain villages and low lands villages, market villages and farming villages, etc. In terms of haplogroups Romania is very diverse compared to other European countries, and yet balanced (there are 5 major haplogroups present in Romania) - this also brings phenotypical complexity.

You can see how work requirements bias a phenotypical sample even when drawn from the same population, for instance when you compare the Romanian police with the Romanian armed forces (see this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...anian-military). You can immediately notice that the Romanian police is far more Med, shorter and more gracile looking than the armed forces.







You can also compare the police and army phenos with those of middle class Romanians - it is obvious that middle class Romanians have less steppe influence and the Slavic influence is more biased towards Central Euro than Eastern Euro (South Slavic influence stays the same):

70% are very similar to french with very similar facial features and very farest of the spaniards ,portugueses etc ....,your romanian youth look at 90% closer of the french white natives of genuine european roots/stock ,even in your cops patrols,70/80% are closer of the french white natives ,and your marine corps are at 90/95% closer of the french natives

[ixulescu]

70% are very similar to french with very similar facial features and very farest of the spaniards ,portugueses etc ....,your romanian youth look at 90% closer of the french white natives of genuine european roots/stock ,even in your cops patrols,70/80% are closer of the french white natives ,and your marine corps are at 90/95% closer of the french natives

I think there is a certain Alpine look that can be found across the 45 parallel from France to Romania.
The group below is a good example - because it is very pan-Euro(Alpine) looking, it is hard to place accurately:

[Daco Celtic]

The Romanian police force is like Logan's Run and officers are killed off at the age of 30 to make way for younger recruits.