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    more interesting posts from him about "failed Hungarian economy" supported by facts. Post from February 2021.


    Investment boom in Hungary


    In the world in 2020. foreign investment fell by as much as 42 percent, while in Hungary foreign investment rose by 140 percent (UN report). That’s an absolute record, and moreover during Covid’s time. Foreign capital is literally fleeing to Hungary.
    Reasons? Orban's government strategy: After Covid, a brutal struggle for foreign investment will begin. Hungary uses all its reserves to attract foreign capital, giving significant incentives to investors. Other factors: relatively weak forint, no bureaucratic and administrative barriers, good infrastructure, quality and relatively cheap labor, low taxes, excellent relations with eastern countries (China, Russia, Japan and South Korea), excellent relations with German large companies.

    Here is a table of larger foreign (and domestic) investments since 2017:
    (investments over EUR 100 million only)

    (01) 681 billion Ft / EUR 1,918 million (2021) - SK Innovation (South Korea), Ivancsa (village 50km south of Budapest)
    (02) 490 billion Ft / EUR 1,536 million (2018) - Mercedes-Benz (Germany), Kecskemet
    (03) 396 billion Ft / 1,222 million EUR (2019) - MOL (Hungary), Tiszaujvaros (town on the Tisza)
    (04) 390 billion Ft / EUR 1,204 million (2019) - Samsung (South Korea), Göd (a small town in the Budapest agglomeration)
    (05) 320 billion Ft / EUR 988 million (2019) - BMW (Germany), Debrecen
    (06) 320 billion Ft / EUR 988 million (2019) - FAKT AG (Germany), Hegyeshalom (village in northwestern Hungary)
    (07) 239 billion Ft / EUR 738 million (2019) - SK Innovation (South Korea), Komarom (Danube City)
    (08) 225 billion Ft / 694 million EUR (2019) - Budapest Airport (Germany), Budapest
    (09) 170 billion Ft / 525 million EUR (2019) - Audi (Germany), Györ
    (10) 128 billion Ft / 395 million EUR (2019) - Toray Industries (Japan), Nyergesujfalu (Danube village)
    (11) 100 billion Ft / EUR 313 million (2018) - SK Innovation (South Korea), Komarom (Danube city)
    (12) 100 billion Ft / EUR 278 million (2020) - Mercedes-Benz (Germany), Kecskemet
    (13) 89 billion Ft / EUR 278 million (2018) - Hankook (J. Koreja), Dunaujvaros
    (14) 75 billion Ft / EUR 208 million (2020) - Doosan (South Korea), Tatabanya
    (15) 66 billion Ft / EUR 183 million (2020) - SEMCORP (China), Debrecen
    (16) 55 billion Ft / EUR 177 million (2017) - Procter & Gamble (USA), Gyöngyös (town near Eger) and Csömör (village near Budapest)
    (17) 63 billion Ft / 175 million EUR (2020) - Jysk (Denmark), Ecser (village near Budapest)
    (18) 60 billion Ft / EUR 167 million (2020) - Rheinmetal (Germany), Zalaegerszeg
    (19) 48 billion Ft / 148 million EUR (2019) - Wanhua (China), Kazincbarcika (town near Miskolc)
    (20) 47 billion Ft / 145 million EUR (2019) - Rehau (Switzerland), Ujhartyan (town near Budapest)
    (21) 50 billion Ft / 139 million EUR (2020) - Nestlé (Switzerland), Bük (village near Szombathely)
    (22) 45 billion Ft / 139 million EUR (2019) - BorsodChem - Wanhua (China), Kazincbarcika (town near Miskolc)
    (23) 43 billion Ft / 133 million EUR (2019) - Lufthansa Technik AG (Germany), Miskolc
    (24) 40 billion Ft / EUR 125 million (2018) - Richter (Hungary), Debrecen
    (25) 44 billion Ft / EUR 122 million (2020) - Lotte Aluminum (South Korea), Tatabanya
    (26) 37 billion Ft / EUR 114 million (2019) - Hanon Systems (South Korea), Szekesfehervar, Pécs and Retsag (a town north of Budapest)
    (27) 34 billion Ft / EUR 110 million (2017) - Becton Dickinson (USA), Tatabanya
    (28) 35 billion Ft / 108 million EUR (2019) - Arconic-Köfem (USA), Szekesfehervar
    (29) 36 billion Ft / EUR 100 million (2020) - Dynamit Nobel Defense (Germany), Kiskunfelegyhaza (city near Kecskemét)
    (30) 32 billion Ft / EUR 100 million (2019) - CMC (China), Kaposvar
    (31) 32 billion Ft / 100 million EUR (2019) - Infineon (Germany), Cegled (city near Budapest)
    (32) 31 billion Ft / EUR 100 million (2018) - Doosan (South Korea), Tatabanya
    (33) 31 billion Ft / EUR 100 million (2018) - Continental (Germany), Debrecen
    (34) 31 billion Ft / 100 million EUR (2018) - B. Braun Medical (Germany), Gyöngyös (town near Eger)
    Dear God, send us Orban pls!!! I want our Orban too!!!

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    I just read the whole thread and I have to say, Alhamdulillah I am not Western

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Not really because Romania is not close to central european standards just look the GDP per capita and poverty. Slovenia and Czechia is richer because they have always been richer than Hungary. These countries were part of Austria in the most history. Hungary is just average central european level, so it's not true what you said that every other country is better.
    This is some turbo-Nationalist fairy tale that Hungary is doing so great, fed to you by Orbán's propaganda channels. But even if you don't want to admit it, this country keeps slipping more and more away even from countries like Slovakia and Czechia, to whom we were pretty close during most of 20th and early 21st centuries. Orbán preposterously claimed that by 2030 we will catch up Austria, haha, completely delusional, while we are slipping more and more to Bulgarian levels. I never seem to laugh enough at the major contrast how you call yourself a Liberal over and over again, yet you are easily the most hardcore Orbánist defender on this forum, one of the idols of the international Far-Right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    This is some turbo-Nationalist fairy tale that Hungary is doing so great, fed to you by Orbán's propaganda channels. But even if you don't want to admit it, this country keeps slipping more and more away even from countries like Slovakia and Czechia, to whom we were pretty close during most of 20th and early 21st centuries. Orbán preposterously claimed that by 2030 we will catch up Austria, haha, completely delusional, while we are slipping more and more to Bulgarian levels. I never seem to laugh enough at the major contrast how you call yourself a Liberal over and over again, yet you are easily the most hardcore Orbánist defender on this forum, one of the idols of the international Far-Right
    You are really lunatic, sad to see that you see only black and white in the world. If Orbán say something or he do something that must be 100% wrong, and if your comrades do anything it must be 100% right. This is your very simple mind.
    Also funny to see when your fantasy world meeting with the reality and statistical facts, and you became more and more angry and frustrated, and finally you completely lose your mind and after that you start to harassing me in reputation comments and visitor messages. Just look at your prev. comment, you have no agrument only personal attacks.
    Czechia and Slovenia were always richer and more advanced than Hungary:



    They were more advanced in 16-18 century when ottomans destroyed Hungary, just like in the medieval Holy Roman times, and of course Czechia and Slovenia are more advanced in 2021 too. It's not "turbo-Nationalist fairy tale", just facts.

    Thanks but i'm not brainwashed by orbán's media just because i say Orbán do good things too. Every person has good and bad side and i have always talked about his faults too. The eurostat is also not pro orbanist, these are just hard facts that Hungary is not ruined as you guys image it. Orbán is not liberal politician, but he is definitely 100 times more liberal than you leftist guys, who tortured tens of thousand hungarian citizens, to make them crippled for life, to bring them to show trials, when the leftist police beat opposition right winger politicians bloody in 2006, this is the democracy of Dunai and the hungarian left:











    Your totalitarian radical leftist kind has never been democratic and will never be, you also glorified censorship many times, and i as liberal will fight against your totalitarian narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    You are really lunatic, sad to see that you see only black and white in the world. If Orbán say something or he do something that must be 100% wrong, and if your comrades do anything it must be 100% right. This is your very simple mind.
    Also funny to see when your fantasy world meeting with the reality and statistical facts, and you became more and more angry and frustrated, and finally you completely lose your mind and after that you start to harassing me in reputation comments and visitor messages. Just look at your prev. comment, you have no agrument only personal attacks.
    Czechia and Slovenia were always richer and more advanced than Hungary:


    They were more advanced in 16-18 century when ottomans destroyed Hungary, just like in the medieval Holy Roman times, and of course Czechia and Slovenia are more advanced in 2021 too. It's not "turbo-Nationalist fairy tale", just facts.

    Thanks but i'm not brainwashed by orbán's media just because i say Orbán do good things too. Every person has good and bad side and i have always talked about his faults too. The eurostat is also not pro orbanist, these are just hard facts that Hungary is not ruined as you guys image it. Orbán is not liberal politician, but he is definitely 100 times more liberal than you leftist guys, who tortured tens of thousand hungarian citizens, to make them crippled for life, to bring them to show trials, when the leftist police beat opposition right winger politicians bloody in 2006, this is the democracy of Dunai and the hungarian left:

    Your totalitarian radical leftist kind has never been democratic and will never be, you also glorified censorship many times, and i as liberal will fight against your totalitarian narrative.
    Not long ago you said you would vote for Márki-Zay, and now you are again back at it kissing the booth of the gangster in charge who made Hungary become the pariah of civilized Europe and being mentioned in the same league with autocracies like Russia, Turkey and the ilk. Zero compromise with fascist crooks! And don't bring me these Gyurcsány parallels, back in those days I was more radically against his regime than Orbán, who just stirred up the protests but then back up their tails into their limousines and could care less what happened to the protesters. You are indeed the one who sees everything black and white, while I do agree that compromises are needed, that's why I'm supporting a coalition of parties among which Gyurcsány is also a part of, but I do realize that I need to swallow down my distaste for him for restoration of Hungarian democracy. Any Liberal will tell you that with fascists you simply cannot in any circumstances compromise with, but you absolutely have nothing in common with regular Liberals I know. Absolutely no Liberal I know ever defends Orbán and makes him so many excuses as you do.

    Edit: this is your "liberal" icon, yesterday kissing the hands of a French fascist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Not long ago you said you would vote for Márki-Zay, and now you are again back at it kissing the booth of the gangster in charge who made Hungary become the pariah of civilized Europe and being mentioned in the same league with autocracies like Russia, Turkey and the ilk.
    What is the definition of civilized Europe? It means you are loyal dog and servant of Brussel? This behavior existed in the communist East Europe too, when your leftist friends always moved to Moscow. Do you know what is the liberal mentality in this question? To preserve the national independence and sovereignty, this is what our freedom fights are about. You don't want freedom, you want a totalitarian very centralized United States of Europe, where your comrades rules everything. Of course i'm against it. I belive in national and personal freedom, only the local citizens have right to rule their own country, it's not task of Brussels or foreigners.
    I don't agree with Orbán if he wants closer relationship with Moscow and Ankara, as i explained many times, but the hungarian domestic policy is very different from Russia and Turkey. Orbán has never tried to kill opposition politicians, and he didn't imprisoned his any political rival.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Zero compromise with fascist crooks!
    But according to you, everyone is fascist who don't agree with you. It's also a communist narrative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    And don't bring me these Gyurcsány parallels, back in those days I was more radically against his regime than Orbán, who just stirred up the protests but then back up their tails into their limousines and could care less what happened to the protesters.
    Why not? Ferenc Gyurcsány is the leader of the biggest opposition party (DK) in the coalition, he also has very significant political influence in Hungary, and unfortunatelly he is still active politician, so we must talking about him. You should ask Gyurcsány why doesn't he disappear from the public life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    You are indeed the one who sees everything black and white, while I do agree that compromises are needed, that's why I'm supporting a coalition of parties among which Gyurcsány is also a part of, but I do realize that I need to swallow down my distaste for him for restoration of Hungarian democracy.
    Really? So if i say every person do good and bad things it means everything is black and white? Nope, it called racional thinking, because this is the reality. Your thinking is everything what Orbán do must be wrong, and everything what my comrades do must be good. This is the real propaganda based thinking.
    And you can't restore something what never existed, because in 1990 after the fall of communism, the liberals (SZDSZ) compromised with the communists, old liberal betrayed the hungarian democracy, so the communists were able to hold their power, and yes they had won again in 1994 in democratic elections. Hungary in the 90' years was paradise of criminals, including the oil mafia led by Tamás Portik, various hungarian and serbian gangster clans, or the Red Mafia led by Uncle Szeva because Budapest was the centre of the russian mafia at this time. The hungarian business world was full of hitman, armed massacres, exploding cars, bombs and detonations on the streets etc, the mafia ruled everything including police, politicians, economy etc. My dad and his business friends have told me many thing about this time, everyone is afraid, your life was in always danger, if you did somethnig wrong then a hitman killed your complete family. I would not call this Wild East so democratic. After that there was another 8 years socialism between 2002-2010, the government tortured tens of thousand hungarian citizens, to make them crippled for life, to bring them to show trials, when the leftist police beat opposition right winger politicians bloody etc, and now we have this Orbán system which is pretty authoritarian, so what kind of hungarian democracy do want to restore? The Wild East and mafia? The socialists? Or what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Any Liberal will tell you that with fascists you simply cannot in any circumstances compromise with, but you absolutely have nothing in common with regular Liberals I know. Absolutely no Liberal I know ever defends Orbán and makes him so many excuses as you do.
    I don't care these radical leftists who always pretent to be liberal, because they are not in the reality, neither you. But if you ask Kim Jong Un, he also can tell you that the West is not democratic only the north korean peoples party is democratic because they refers to themselfs democratic. Words doesn't matter. Your friends are not liberals, they are letist, the social democracy and liberalism are two different thing. Unfortunatelly there are not much liberal in Hungary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    What is the definition of civilized Europe? It means you are loyal dog and servant of Brussel? This behavior existed in the communist East Europe too, when your leftist friends always moved to Moscow. Do you know what is the liberal mentality in this question? To preserve the national independence and sovereignty, this is what our freedom fights are about. You don't want freedom, you want a totalitarian very centralized United States of Europe, where your comrades rules everything. Of course i'm against it. I belive in national and personal freedom, only the local citizens have right to rule their own country, it's not task of Brussels or foreigners.
    I don't agree with Orbán if he wants closer relationship with Moscow and Ankara, as i explained many times, but the hungarian domestic policy is very different from Russia and Turkey. Orbán has never tried to kill opposition politicians, and he didn't imprisoned his any political rival.



    But according to you, everyone is fascist who don't agree with you. It's also a communist narrative.



    Why not? Ferenc Gyurcsány is the leader of the biggest opposition party (DK) in the coalition, he also has very significant political influence in Hungary, and unfortunatelly he is still active politician, so we must talking about him. You should ask Gyurcsány why doesn't he disappear from the public life.



    Really? So if i say every person do good and bad things it means everything is black and white? Nope, it called racional thinking, because this is the reality. Your thinking is everything what Orbán do must be wrong, and everything what my comrades do must be good. This is the real propaganda based thinking.
    And you can't restore something what never existed, because in 1990 after the fall of communism, the liberals (SZDSZ) compromised with the communists, old liberal betrayed the hungarian democracy, so the communists were able to hold their power, and yes they had won again in 1994 in democratic elections. Hungary in the 90' years was paradise of criminals, including the oil mafia led by Tamás Portik, various hungarian and serbian gangster clans, or the Red Mafia led by Uncle Szeva because Budapest was the centre of the russian mafia at this time. The hungarian business world was full of hitman, armed massacres, exploding cars, bombs and detonations on the streets etc, the mafia ruled everything including police, politicians, economy etc. My dad and his business friends have told me many thing about this time, everyone is afraid, your life was in always danger, if you did somethnig wrong then a hitman killed your complete family. I would not call this Wild East so democratic. After that there was another 8 years socialism between 2002-2010, the government tortured tens of thousand hungarian citizens, to make them crippled for life, to bring them to show trials, when the leftist police beat opposition right winger politicians bloody etc, and now we have this Orbán system which is pretty authoritarian, so what kind of hungarian democracy do want to restore? The Wild East and mafia? The socialists? Or what?



    I don't care these radical leftists who always pretent to be liberal, because they are not in the reality, neither you. But if you ask Kim Jong Un, he also can tell you that the West is not democratic only the north korean peoples party is democratic because they refers to themselfs democratic. Words doesn't matter. Your friends are not liberals, they are letist, the social democracy and liberalism are two different thing. Unfortunatelly there are not much liberal in Hungary.
    The overwhelming majority of Hungarian opposition channels are Liberal-oriented and not Leftist. All the biggest independent news portals are Liberal: 444, Telex, HVG, 24 only Leftist news portal that gains any traction is Mérce. On TV there is Liberal ATV and on radio Liberal Spirit FM, while the Left has no presence there. Only on YouTube the Left has the biggest channel, Partizán. As always you are incredibly disingenuously by washing together Hungarian Liberals and Leftists, while they are quite separated from one another. The first are largely preoccupied with optics, while the second are focused on the systemic problems of our country and the world. Your ideology overlaps basically with Far Right channels like HírTV, Pesti TV, 888, Pesti Srácok, Origo, as the only topic they care about are "Orbán über alles", culture wars and fearmongering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    The overwhelming majority of Hungarian opposition channels are Liberal-oriented and not Leftist. All the biggest independent news portals are Liberal: 444, Telex, HVG, 24 only Leftist news portal that gains any traction is Mérce.
    444, Telex are kultur-marxist channels, not liberals. They are hardcore pro BLM, pro radical feminism and everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    On TV there is Liberal ATV and on radio Liberal Spirit FM, while the Left has no presence there.
    ATV as liberal? Are you crazy? They licked the socialist Dobrev's ass very much and they criticized MZP many times 1-2 months ago, in the opposition primary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    As always you are incredibly disingenuously by washing together Hungarian Liberals and Leftists, while they are quite separated from one another.
    You do that, when you called yourself and your radical leftist friends as liberal. Nope, you guys are not liberals as you prove it day by day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    Your ideology overlaps basically with Far Right channels like HírTV, Pesti TV, 888, Pesti Srácok, Origo, as the only topic they care about are "Orbán über alles", culture wars and fearmongering.
    These are simple conservative channels, not far right. This is what im talking about, according to you everyone is nazi. I don't watch Hir TV, i have been banned from 888, i dont read Origo or Pesti Srácok. I follow these hungarian political channels: azonnali, Puzsér Róbert, euronews, 24.hu, fair right, partizán, 444, MZP's channel, dopeman tv, ATV, fókuszcsoport, politikai hobbista, toroczkai lászló, TELEX. Most of these channels are opposition oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    444, Telex are kultur-marxist channels, not liberals. They are hardcore pro BLM, pro radical feminism and everything.



    ATV as liberal? Are you crazy? They licked the socialist Dobrev's ass very much and they criticized MZP many times 1-2 months ago, in the opposition primary.



    You do that, when you called yourself and your radical leftist friends as liberal. Nope, you guys are not liberals as you prove it day by day.



    These are simple conservative channels, not far right. This is what im talking about, according to you everyone is nazi. I don't watch Hir TV, i have been banned from 888, i dont read Origo or Pesti Srácok. I follow these hungarian political channels: azonnali, Puzsér Róbert, euronews, 24.hu, fair right, partizán, 444, MZP's channel, dopeman tv, ATV, fókuszcsoport, politikai hobbista, toroczkai lászló, TELEX. Most of these channels are opposition oriented.
    You are living proof how the Orbán regime created a new generation of people who have no logical sense of political ideologies and what separates them from one another. What I'm describing are the political standards used everywhere in the Western world by journalists. Objectively the only notable Conservative media are Válasz and Magyar Hang, but they are very small compared to the Far Right hegemony of the Orbán propaganda channels, however they are reliable news media, just as the Liberal and Leftist channels, which mostly live by donor contributions or from add revenue. Objective journalism can have Right or Left-wing perspective but the Orbán-channels don't count as proper journalism, but fall out of it, and are basically propaganda channels dressed as journalism. For example in the US good examples of propaganda channels dressed as journalism are Fox News, Newsmax, Breitbart, Daily Wire. But you completely lack the basic knowledge to differentiate legitimate and fake journalism.

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