Are Euros closer to West Asia, North Africa, some Central Asians than East Asians are to Siberians?

**Zanzibar** · 11-29-2021, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

Yes it’s showing distance to Even of 0.010 but your G25 also compared to Euros vs W/S/C Asians. Have someone do both comparisons at same time using f2 for reliability and accuracy.

I’ll post the IBS you want in a minute

Sorry. Here is f2 distance for Japanese:

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f2 distance to Korean:

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Compare to Euros....

f2 distance to English:

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f2 distance to Norwegian:

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f2 distance to Hungarian:

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f2 distance to Ukrainian:

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**Roy** · 12-02-2021, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Zoro

Yes all of them have corrupted millions of minds and caused a very skewed view of population histories, but the reason I have a beef with G25 is because it’s so readily available and easy to use that every other lay person uses it. It along other amateur tools have so brainwashed people that people will not recognize accurate ancestry analysis anymore even if it hits them on the face.

It’ll be very hard to undo the damage already done to peoples view of population history. Very bad indeed !

It is not like the majority of people are really curious about it and seek this knowledge though, lol.

**Roy** · 12-02-2021, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Zoro

Yes all of them have corrupted millions of minds and caused a very skewed view of population histories, but the reason I have a beef with G25 is because it’s so readily available and easy to use that every other lay person uses it. It along other amateur tools have so brainwashed people that people will not recognize accurate ancestry analysis anymore even if it hits them on the face.

It’ll be very hard to undo the damage already done to peoples view of population history. Very bad indeed !

It is not like the majority of people are really curious about it and seek this knowledge though, lol.

**thunderbolt** · 11-23-2022, 02:44 PM

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**thunderbolt** · 11-23-2022, 02:52 PM

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**thunderbolt** · 11-23-2022, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

Thanks for posting these ! Another piece of evidence to be added to the evidence I have already pointed out so far that G25 shouldn't be taken seriously. Keep posting these because the more proofs people see how G25 is wrong the more they will be convinced it's a joke

No it's NOT true that Europeans are closer to West or Central or South- Central Asians than East Asians are to Siberians !

Here's your proof that G25 is wrong.

These are gene to gene comparisons averaged over populations using IBS and 400,000 overlapping SNPs

As you can see Han share more genes with Siberians such as Even (0.733105) and even Mansi (0.71674) than British share with even the closest W. Asians (0.7131) and Pathan (0.7090)

IBS with HAN_1000G	REGION	AVG-IBS
Chinese_Han_S_1000G	E_Asia	0.742565
Chinese_Han_1000G	E_Asia	0.742465
Japanese_1000G	E_Asia	0.74105
Chinese_Dai_1000G	E_Asia	0.74039
Vietnam_Kinh_1000G	E_Asia	0.73973
Mongola_Simons	E_Asia	0.738855
Even_Simons	Siberia	0.733105
PALEO-SIBERIAN-Kolyma-Mesol-WGS	Siberia	0.729545
Karitiana_Simons	Americas	0.72603
Kyrgyz_Simons	C_Asia	0.725555
Mayan_Simons	Americas	0.72554
Onge_1000G	S_Asia	0.71883
Uyghur	C_Asia	0.71769
Peruvian_1000G	Americas	0.71683
Mansi_Simons	Siberia	0.71674
Uzbek	C_Asia	0.715205
Tatar_Tomsk	E_Europe	0.71519
Turkmen	C_Asia	0.71304
Bengali_1000G	S_Asia	0.71212
Bashkir	E_Europe	0.710635
Tamil_1000G	S_Asia	0.70905
Indian_Telugu_1000G	S_Asia	0.7084
Gujarati_1000G	S_Asia	0.70741
Punjabi_Simons	S_Asia	0.70672
Punjabi_Lahore_1000G	S_Asia	0.70636
Saami_Simons	E_Europe	0.705815
ANS-Yana-UP-WGS	Siberia	0.70572
Tatar_Volga	E_Europe	0.704275
Pathan_Simons	S_Asia	0.70238
Brahui_Simons	S_Asia	0.70056
Finnish_1000G	E_Europe	0.700375
Kurds_IQ	W_Asia	0.699595
Ossetian_Simons	W_Asia	0.699535
Russian_Simons	E_Europe	0.69942
Turkish_Kayseri_Simons	W_Asia	0.69868
YAMNAYA-Karagash-Dipl	E_Europe	0.698655
Finnish_Simons	E_Europe	0.698485
Iranian_South_Simons	W_Asia	0.69765
Abkhasian_Simons	W_Asia	0.69736
Lezgin_Simons	W_Asia	0.697145
Estonian_Simons	E_Europe	0.696935
British_1000G	W_Europe	0.696865
WHG-Loschbour	W_Europe	0.696275
Armenian_Simons	W_Asia	0.69611
Georgian_Simons	W_Asia	0.695625
Iberian_1000G	W_Europe	0.69553
Basque_Simons	W_Europe	0.69529
BedouinB_Simons	W_Asia	0.693955

IBS with BRITISH_1000G	REGION	AVG-IBS
British_1000G	W_Europe	0.7181
WHG-Loschbour	W_Europe	0.7179
Finnish_1000G	E_Europe	0.7170
Basque_Simons	W_Europe	0.7169
Finnish_Simons	E_Europe	0.7165
Estonian_Simons	E_Europe	0.7164
Iberian_1000G	W_Europe	0.7161
Russian_Simons	E_Europe	0.7155
YAMNAYA-Karagash-Dipl	E_Europe	0.7154
EEF-Stuttgart	W_Europe	0.7151
Lezgin_Simons	W_Asia	0.7133
Abkhasian_Simons	W_Asia	0.7131
Kurds_IQ	W_Asia	0.7131
Tatar_Volga	E_Europe	0.7131
Armenian_Simons	W_Asia	0.7128
Georgian_Simons	W_Asia	0.7127
Saami_Simons	E_Europe	0.7126
Ossetian_Simons	W_Asia	0.7124
Turkish_Kayseri_Simons	W_Asia	0.7122
Iranian_South_Simons	W_Asia	0.7107
Bashkir	E_Europe	0.7102
BedouinB_Simons	W_Asia	0.7094
Pathan_Simons	S_Asia	0.7090
Brahui_Simons	S_Asia	0.7090
Jordanian_Simons	W_Asia	0.7090
Colombian_1000G	Americas	0.7084
Turkmen	C_Asia	0.7078
Tatar_Tomsk	E_Europe	0.7075
Mansi_Simons	Siberia	0.7070
Punjabi_Lahore_1000G	S_Asia	0.7069
Uzbek	C_Asia	0.7065
Gujarati_1000G	S_Asia	0.7061
Punjabi_Simons	S_Asia	0.7052

So, am I correct in inferring based on the table that generally speaking, East Eurasians (East Asians, Siberians, Native Americans) are closer genetically to each other than West Eurasians are to each other (including even Europeans to other Europeans)??? Because in that table, Han have higher IBS scores with other E/SE Asians, as well as with neo-siberian Even, paleo-siberian Kolyma, and amerindian Karitiana + Mayan than the British do with even themselves. I think I saw a similar pattern regarding global relationships in the supplementary section of some 2012 Harvard study about Denisovans (there was a table of pairwise differences in one million bases between modern day individuals as well as some ancient Denisovans), but I'm not an expert in this stuff at all so I don't know if I'm interpreting everything correctly because I see different results on different posts.

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