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    I do not understand what you are trying to say here. As I understand this, it is quite typical for the head to be broader than what its height is. Even Coon wrote that Cordeds were highly unusual in this regards that they had greater skull height than skull breadth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    I do not understand what you are trying to say here. As I understand this, it is quite typical for the head to be broader than what its height is. Even Coon wrote that Cordeds were highly unusual in this regards that they had greater skull height than skull breadth.
    Based on the measurements you posted in 2019, Unetice and Hallstatt also had higher auricular height than cranial width (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...various-sites/):



    I kinda look like Beavis but it's probably partially because I have a short face but high auricular height.

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    From Coon's races of Europe.

    Average skull breadth for Irish is 154 mm. And average skull height for Irish is 125 mm.
    Average skull breadth for Finns is 153 to 154 mm. And average skull height for Finns is 127mm.

    So it should be fairly typical to have about 3cm broader head than what height is.

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    Komi. Interesting to note from that data you provided, that compared to those old skulls modern Europeans (or Europeans 100 years ago when skull measuring was popular). Seem to have lost quite lot of auricular height. If I remember correctly Finnish average of 127mm was one of the tallest auricular heights on ROE, yet compared to those old skull examples, it seems very short. On the other hand skull breadth has increased a lot compared old times.
    And also to note, of course measurements from skull are always more reliable, especially face measurements.

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    This Neanderthal skull on the right is megabroad


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    So height being the distance from the bottom of the chin to the crown of the head? If so then no, I can't say that I've seen someone who's head is wider than it is tall.
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    The only one that comes to my mind:
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    Yes, this is what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    Komi. Interesting to note from that data you provided, that compared to those old skulls modern Europeans (or Europeans 100 years ago when skull measuring was popular). Seem to have lost quite lot of auricular height. If I remember correctly Finnish average of 127mm was one of the tallest auricular heights on ROE, yet compared to those old skull examples, it seems very short. On the other hand skull breadth has increased a lot compared old times.
    And also to note, of course measurements from skull are always more reliable, especially face measurements.
    I deleted the image in my previous post, because I think it showed data for basion-bregma height and not auricular height (or at least for Kylälahti, the measurement of 144.0 mm is the same as basion-bregma height in males in Khartanovich et al. 2010).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komintasavalta View Post
    I deleted the image in my previous post, because I think it showed data for basion-bregma height and not auricular height (or at least for Kylälahti, the measurement of 144.0 mm is the same as basion-bregma height in males in Khartanovich et al. 2010).
    Okay sorry my bad. I just always assumed auricular height is synonym for basion-bregma. I guess you can still learn new stuff. So on skulls the height is measured from basion, whereas the auricular height of the skull measurers was measured from ear(hole), probably because it is easier to locate on living specimen. So that actually explains the difference between skulls and those measurements of living populations from Coon. Goddamn I'm dumb.

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    What do you mean exactly, broad heads and short height?

    Most shorter people have more wider heads. Taller people tend to have longer heads. I've seen people with long heads/faces that are barely over 160cm and they look so fucking awkward. It's like their head betrays their body!

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