Being a traditionalist and homophobic is self-contradictory

**Blondie** · 12-01-2021, 04:15 PM

It seems Morti has left the chat

**bvnny** · 12-01-2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Teutone

You ONLY fall for their trap if you agree that gender is not defined purely by sex.

You don't fall for their trap by opposing yourself to those things while not directly talking about those things in a way that may lead them to confusion, just think about the difference between saying that you think "men shouldn't pretend to be women" and "men shouldn't wear dresses", the latter one can still lead some leftists to talk about toxic masculinity and things of that sort, but it's still way more effective than the first one, the first one is literally only a matter of showing the modernist definition of gender, the difference between "gender" and "sex", saying the speaker is a transphobic, and boom... the leftist already convinced a normie that he's right and you're wrong.

**Teutone** · 12-01-2021, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by bvnny

You don't fall for their trap by opposing yourself to those things while not directly talking about those things in a way that may lead them to confusion, just think about the difference between saying that you think "men shouldn't pretend to be women" and "men shouldn't wear dresses", the latter one can still lead some leftists to talk about toxic masculinity and things of that sort, but it's still way more effective than the first one, the first one is literally only a matter of showing the modernist definition of gender, the difference between "gender" and "sex", saying the speaker is a transphobic, and boom... the leftist already convinced a normie that he's right and you're wrong.

Its not matter of arguments but simply the reality of a hegemony.

This hegemony is achieved by multiple factors, in the west it has been achieved by media mostly.

**Blondie** · 12-01-2021, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by bvnny

You don't fall for their trap by opposing yourself to those things while not directly talking about those things in a way that may lead them to confusion, just think about the difference between saying that you think "men shouldn't pretend to be women" and "men shouldn't wear dresses", the latter one can still lead some leftists to talk about toxic masculinity and things of that sort, but it's still way more effective than the first one, the first one is literally only a matter of showing the modernist definition of gender, the difference between "gender" and "sex", saying the speaker is a transphobic, and boom... the leftist already convinced a normie that he's right and you're wrong.

Guys can wear female clothes, just like women can wear male clothes at home, because its human right, but it doesn't change the fact that there are only 2 gender. These social identities makes no sense, these peoples need medical treatment or do you think this guy is normal:

**~~TheForeigner~~** · 12-01-2021, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by bvnny

You don't fall for their trap by opposing yourself to those things while not directly talking about those things in a way that may lead them to confusion, just think about the difference between saying that you think "men shouldn't pretend to be women" and "men shouldn't wear dresses", the latter one can still lead some leftists to talk about toxic masculinity and things of that sort, but it's still way more effective than the first one, the first one is literally only a matter of showing the modernist definition of gender, the difference between "gender" and "sex", saying the speaker is a transphobic, and boom... the leftist already convinced a normie that he's right and you're wrong.

If you accept their kind of thinking and arguments, then it's like you're saying they're right. No, we don't have to lower ourselves to their level. Being right and having common sense arguments are enough to sway normal people.

**Mejgusu** · 12-01-2021, 04:51 PM

sorry.

**Megadorian** · 12-01-2021, 04:56 PM

Expert trolling OP, gotta hand you that

**bvnny** · 12-01-2021, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Megadorian

Expert trolling OP, gotta hand you that

lol

**Tooting Carmen** · 12-01-2021, 05:50 PM

As a bi man myself, I believe that people have the right to dress and live as they wish. However, no I do not believe that biological men who claim to be women have a 'right' to compete in women's sports (World Rugby actually banned it last year, because the discrepancy in physiques between trans women and actual women is severe and dangerous, even after testosterone reduction injections), nor should they have access to women's toilets, prisons and even refuges.

**Richmondbread** · 12-01-2021, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by bvnny

But who defines gender? Well, society, words only have meaning when most ppl recognize those words as having a certain meaning, it doesn't matter how I define a word if the way I define it is in disagreement with how the whole of society defines it.

Therefore, the way you define gender doesn't matter that much when most ppl define gender as being a social construct, so, it's better to simply not talk about gender, at least not in "men pretending to be women", if you wanna talk about gender, it's better for you to talk in a way that doesn't directly touch upon the subject of gender, like opposing yourself to "men wearing dresses" instead.

Gender is innate. They have done studies on this. The outliers are mentally ill and we have enabled them.