Are the spanish tall?

**HectorOfTroy** · 12-04-2021, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Odelia

Who said they have to be on wheat and pastry? I'm not saying African-style bony malnourished. But I mean just people who haven't been on fucking growth hormones when they were fed milk as babies. That's why this generation is so tall. And why shouldn't the older generation NOT count? Their height is still average and normal for their age or time. It's not like they're dwarfs or like Danny DeVito (<150cm). And I mean the men, since the thread was about males.

But my gripe was with these exaggerated height maps, not your post.

you can be fat and malnourished. older generation were malnourished so they didnt reach their genetic potential thats why they dont count

**HectorOfTroy** · 12-04-2021, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Odelia

Aha! No wonder these averages seemed exaggerated to me. But focusing on an age group is a huge misrepresentation of the population. There's more to the iceberg than just its tip, right? They pinpointed the younger folks because they'll be taller and would make the ethnic group much taller than what's typical of their population. Why not just count all the age groups to be fair?

you can be fat and malnourished. cant judge what a phenotype's traits are if the people havent reached their phenotypic potential

**~~Tongio~~** · 12-04-2021, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Odelia

Most of these numbers are bullshit. How the fuck is 176cm+ average in most of Southern Europe? Italy and Spain 176cm!? Greeks 178cm!? They probably just measured the younger, taller generation in nourished areas. Most older guys (50+), and especially those in regional towns, in southern Europe average just around 170cm, especially Italians. And the 160-65cm range is not that uncommon in the Med islands. Seriously, the average everyday Greek or Italian will not be fucking 178cm! Fuck, even the average Dutchman is not 180cm! Lmao!

Try 175cm at best if you don't want to count every ethnic Dutchman who is below 35! I think a Hitler complexed eurocentric weirdo made these "stats".

And besides...What's with the tallness fetish? Most guys I dated were on the short side. A man that's too tall comes across as awkward to me. Also most of the strongest men barely reach 6 feet. So much for "masculinity" and "tallness".

And this bullshit is extended in this map. Yeah, yeah, Med Islanders and Southern Europeans are definitely shorter than West Asians and North Africans on average because "muh Europeans"!

Southern European women are definitely taller on average than MENA ones, but SE men and MENA men share a similar height on average. Come here to Dearborn MI and see! Not sure why SE is in a darker shade of blue than Turkey and the Levant, but simply because "muh Europeans!"

And Lol Eastern Russians are as short as East Asians!

No Odélia what are you saying these colorful mapas cant be incorrect , they have pretty patterns and colours, this mean they show things as they are!

**Anglo-Celtic** · 12-04-2021, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

The Irish used to be one of the tallest in Europe pre-famine. The Dutch used to be one of the shortest in Europe. In 100 years they have grown with an average of 20 cms. I think the famine had a big affect on Irish height. Irish now are increasing height again. The Dutch height gain is amazing though.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/wo...0039/h0039.pdf

It's likely diets combined with genes. Years ago, Appalachian frontier settlers and a Native American tribe were the tallest populations in the world (per auxologist Komlos), and they both had a meat-based diet. There was endless game in their regions. That's likely why the Dutch (with more dairy products added to the mix) went from "Indonesians" to "Masai".

**Anglo-Celtic** · 12-04-2021, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Odelia

Most of these numbers are bullshit. How the fuck is 176cm+ average in most of Southern Europe? Italy and Spain 176cm!? Greeks 178cm!? They probably just measured the younger, taller generation in nourished areas. Most older guys (50+), and especially those in regional towns, in southern Europe average just around 170cm, especially Italians. And the 160-65cm range is not that uncommon in the Med islands. Seriously, the average everyday Greek or Italian will not be fucking 178cm! Fuck, even the average Dutchman is not 180cm! Lmao!

Try 175cm at best if you don't want to count every ethnic Dutchman who is below 35! I think a Hitler complexed eurocentric weirdo made these "stats".

And besides...What's with the tallness fetish? Most guys I dated were on the short side. A man that's too tall comes across as awkward to me. Also most of the strongest men barely reach 6 feet. So much for "masculinity" and "tallness".

And this bullshit is extended in this map. Yeah, yeah, Med Islanders and Southern Europeans are definitely shorter than West Asians and North Africans on average because "muh Europeans"!

Southern European women are definitely taller on average than MENA ones, but SE men and MENA men share a similar height on average. Come here to Dearborn MI and see! Not sure why SE is in a darker shade of blue than Turkey and the Levant, but simply because "muh Europeans!"

And Lol Eastern Russians are as short as East Asians!

Look guys! We found the short girl. ;-)

**Andullero** · 12-04-2021, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by HectorOfTroy

i think they've been stereotyped as short for a long time because nutrition standards haven't been good around the world until recently and not as developed compared to northern european/germanic countries.

Remember seeing somewhere that the average was 1.78m, that's taller than italy and the british isles and other southern european countries (minus the balkan ones). I know one spanish guy here (looks very spanish facially) and he's like 1.88m, plus almost all the castizo/harnizo looking types in Peru that i saw tended to be tall, one mexican guy i met (looks castizo) is like 6ft. My mom went to university in spain to learn some courses and she said the younger generation of spaniards are fairly tall like around the 1.8m range. Spaniards do have the highest percentage of WHG out of all other southern europeans i think.

Many of the Millennials and Zoomers I saw and interacted with in my year long sojourn there were tall indeed. The old timers and some people in extreme interior provinces (Paletos) are on the short end, though.

**~~Cristiano viejo~~** · 12-08-2021, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Andullero

Many of the Millennials and Zoomers I saw and interacted with in my year long sojourn there were tall indeed. The old timers and some people in extreme interior provinces (Paletos) are on the short end, though.

Whats your problem with paletos, boy? I am one and I am 1 80.

**Mont** · 12-08-2021, 03:41 PM

Andalusian grandma is 149cm and that's really short.

**Andullero** · 12-08-2021, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

Whats your problem with paletos, boy? I am one and I am 1 80.

Lol, no problem at all. In fact, you folks are my favorite peoples there, mostly immune to gringo bs.

**Oliver109** · 12-08-2021, 11:08 PM

Franco era Spain people were much shorter, my grandmother was only 5'2, grandfather actually normal height around 5'10 so tall for Spain, going to church services i noticed how much shorter the mainly elderly congregation was than in the UK. Young people in Spain seem a lot taller than young people in Portugal, i think there the average height for men is 5'8, 5'3 or 4 for women. In Spain the young men seem as tall as the men in France and women maybe even slightly taller at around 5'6. men 6'2 or above are nowhere near as common as in the UK though, upper paleolithic survivor levels of height are not a feature of the Spanish or i think even the French populations.