The Romanian-Albanian Linguistic Connection

[Jana]

There might be a connection between certain words in Romanian of Dacian origin and certain Albanian words. Illyrian could have been related to Dacian-Thracian languages.

Albanians are far from being descended from Illyrians only in their Paleo Balkan part, they have heavy Thracian admixture. E-V13 is absent in Illyrians so far but heavily present in Thracians.
Dacians were subset of Thracians so that might have been the connection.

[ixulescu]

I don't think Romans could have Romanized native Balkanites in Greece, I think they could have rather make their soldier implants/colonists become Roman (and learn/speak Latin badly but lacking another language, using that to communicate between themselves). over the years to this day of course they blended in and absorbed natives as well, but my guess is that the basis of Vlachs is Roman colonists exclusively, maybe with some local women (by local I mean northern Greece/Macedonia)

Native Balkanites were Hellenized in Greece. Where did I say that native Balkanites were Romanized in Greece? Greece is not Balkan, or at least not according to Greeks.

Anyways, I posted this result some time ago: Romanians are by far the closest Balkan population to Neolithic mtdna samples from Romania. Migration theory is garbage.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"J. V. Fine notes that Albanian has few loan words from Greek, and that loan words from Latin show links not with the Romance languages of Western Europe nor the Dalmatian dialect once spoken along the Adriatic coast, but rather with the speech of the East Roman descendants of Latin, namely Romanian and Aromanian or Vlach. This is odd in view of the fact that the Illyrians were certainly active in coastal areas where they came into contact with the Greeks and later the Romans. The marine terminology of Albanian is derived from other languages, and this suggests that the Albanians were not a nautical people, unlike the Illyrians who terrified even the Romans by their mastery of the sea. Links between the sound system of ancient Illyrian, as conjectured from place names, and modern Albanian are hard to find. There is a gap of about five centuries between the last genuine mention of Illyrians and the first authentic reference to Albanians. During these centuries, it is argued, a new Indo-European race could have entered Albania. They would have arrived at the same time as the Slavs, though different from them. They would have come from the Danube area, and this would explain the links between Albanian and Romanian, reinforced by meeting Latin-speakers in Albania, in the same way as the Franks met Latin-speakers on the Rhine and in Gaul. French shoes few traces of the language of the ancient Gauls because this language had vanished by the time the Franks arrived. In the same way, it is argued, Illyrian would have vanished after seven hundred years of Roman rule which began earlier and finished later than in Gaul. These are strong but not irrefutable arguments."

T.J. Winnifrith, Nobody's Kingdom: A History of Northern Albania,The Illyrians, pg 136

[Hulu]

lol here we go again

[Tommie]

in Romanian language doesn't go with genetics, language was recently imposed politically while genetically only southwest Romanians are Vlach, the others are mix of everything that were just linguistically Vlachized, and that happened very recently for many places, even as recently as a few decades ago (large chunks of Wallachia were Bulgarian speaking in the countryside, not to mention the hundreds of Slavic speaking villages across the country (Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, Slovak, Czech, Serb), or the million Germans that fled a few decades ago, or the two million Hungarians still living in Transylvania/Szeleky land/Partium etc).

a connection could have been only there where Vlachs came from, in the deep Balkans, northern Greece/Macedonia/Timok, but Vlachs don't descend from Dacians/Thracians, they descend from Levantine and Near Eastern colonists brought by the Romans to today's northern Greece/Macedonia

Do you have to ruin every single Romanian-related thread with your stupid shit? You're part of some irrelevant ethnic minority group which contributed next to zero to Romania, that's why you're looking for attention here. Fuck off.

[Jana]

T.J. Winnifrith, Nobody's Kingdom: A History of Northern Albania,The Illyrians, pg 136

Pretty good points. E-V13 also points to Danubian expansion. Albanians as ethnic group most likely formed somewhere in central Balkans, in transitional Illyrian-Thracian zone, somewhere around Kosovo.
They are partly Illyrian, but their Illyrian ancestors were mountain Illyrians and not coastal ones.

Coastal Illyrians were absorbed by Dalmatian Croats who continued with their nautical and pirate traditions.

Main three Albanian hgs are all Paleo-Balkan, but J2b2 clades and eastern R1b were found in ancient inhabitants of Croatia and in Illyrian tribe of southern Italy, while E-V13 was absent.
However Romanized Moesians from Serbia (Moesians were Thracian tribe) were E-V13 heavy.

So they are mix of Paleo-Balkanic tribes, Romans and Slavs mainly but everything points to their origins somewhere in interior, far from the sea and in contact with eastern Balkans and Danubian cultures as well.
They are land of the eagles, a mountain folk.

[E1b1b]

Pretty good points. E-V13 also points to Danubian expansion. Albanians as ethnic group most likely formed somewhere in central Balkans, in transitional Illyrian-Thracian zone, somewhere around Kosovo.
They are partly Illyrian, but their Illyrian ancestors were mountain Illyrians and not coastal ones.

Coastal Illyrians were absorbed by Dalmatian Croats who continued with their nautical and pirate traditions.

Main three Albanian hgs are all Paleo-Balkan, but J2b2 clades and eastern R1b were found in ancient inhabitants of Croatia and in Illyrian tribe of southern Italy, while E-V13 was absent.
However Romanized Moesians from Serbia (Moesians were Thracian tribe) were E-V13 heavy.

So they are mix of Paleo-Balkanic tribes, Romans and Slavs mainly but everything pointa to their origins somewhere in interior, far from the sea and in contact with eastern Balkans and Danubian cultures as well.
They are land of the eagles, a mountain folk.

This summary is pretty on point. Thracians and Dacians came from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gáva-Holigrady_culture
which has a more northern(north of Danube) origin compared to Illyrians which are related more to western med/Balkan culture.

[Varda]

That connection is tiny, not larger than the common vocabulary with the native Balkanite substrate from Bulgarian or Serbian.

Obviously, the commonality with the Romance vocabulary of Albanian is much greater, but overall Albanian is fully incomprehensible to Romanian speakers due to the isolated evolution of Albanian and the fact that it branches from a different family of Romance languages (possibly more related to Dalmatian).

Albanian is more related with East Romance languages than with Dalmatian.

[Hulu]

Pretty good points. E-V13 also points to Danubian expansion. Albanians as ethnic group most likely formed somewhere in central Balkans, in transitional Illyrian-Thracian zone, somewhere around Kosovo.
They are partly Illyrian, but their Illyrian ancestors were mountain Illyrians and not coastal ones.

Coastal Illyrians were absorbed by Dalmatian Croats who continued with their nautical and pirate traditions.

Main three Albanian hgs are all Paleo-Balkan, but J2b2 clades and eastern R1b were found in ancient inhabitants of Croatia and in Illyrian tribe of southern Italy, while E-V13 was absent.
However Romanized Moesians from Serbia (Moesians were Thracian tribe) were E-V13 heavy.

So they are mix of Paleo-Balkanic tribes, Romans and Slavs mainly but everything points to their origins somewhere in interior, far from the sea and in contact with eastern Balkans and Danubian cultures as well.
They are land of the eagles, a mountain folk.

My genetics beg to differ

And why would the ancient city folks be influenced by these mountain people, we have 3000 year old cities. Something which you lack...

[Varda]

Pretty good points. E-V13 also points to Danubian expansion. Albanians as ethnic group most likely formed somewhere in central Balkans, in transitional Illyrian-Thracian zone, somewhere around Kosovo.
They are partly Illyrian, but their Illyrian ancestors were mountain Illyrians and not coastal ones.

Coastal Illyrians were absorbed by Dalmatian Croats who continued with their nautical and pirate traditions.

Main three Albanian hgs are all Paleo-Balkan, but J2b2 clades and eastern R1b were found in ancient inhabitants of Croatia and in Illyrian tribe of southern Italy, while E-V13 was absent.
However Romanized Moesians from Serbia (Moesians were Thracian tribe) were E-V13 heavy.

So they are mix of Paleo-Balkanic tribes, Romans and Slavs mainly but everything points to their origins somewhere in interior, far from the sea and in contact with eastern Balkans and Danubian cultures as well.
They are land of the eagles, a mountain folk.

Proto-Albanians most likely originated from semi romanized Thracians from present day SE Serbia and western Bulgaria.