The Romanian-Albanian Linguistic Connection

[Jana]

My genetics beg to differ

You are not typical Gheg though! Yes you are heavily Med.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Pretty good points. E-V13 also points to Danubian expansion. Albanians as ethnic group most likely formed somewhere in central Balkans, in transitional Illyrian-Thracian zone, somewhere around Kosovo.
They are partly Illyrian, but their Illyrian ancestors were mountain Illyrians and not coastal ones.

Coastal Illyrians were absorbed by Dalmatian Croats who continued with their nautical and pirate traditions.

Main three Albanian hgs are all Paleo-Balkan, but J2b2 clades and eastern R1b were found in ancient inhabitants of Croatia and in Illyrian tribe of southern Italy, while E-V13 was absent.
However Romanized Moesians from Serbia (Moesians were Thracian tribe) were E-V13 heavy.

So they are mix of Paleo-Balkanic tribes, Romans and Slavs mainly but everything points to their origins somewhere in interior, far from the sea and in contact with eastern Balkans and Danubian cultures as well.
They are land of the eagles, a mountain folk.

It is an interesting theory but as the author said it is not conclusive. There are other possible theories and possible explanations. Northern Albania is not like the pleasant hills and plains of Gaul\France. In the rugged Pyrenees a pre-Roman language did survive for example (Basque language). And while Latin was the official language of Northern Albania, its contact with Western Latin was overshadowed by more lengthy contact with the East Roman Vlachs in medieval times (could also explain why the Albanian language is closer to Eastern Romance languages without necessarily mean they migrated somewhere from the Danube region).

[Hulu]

Here is a thread by Dna8 you might find helpful about our marine vocabulary



https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5867306

[Hulu]

You are not typical Gheg though! Yes you are heavily Med.

See my edit. Why would our cities be influenced by mountain folk? That doesn't make any sense even if you never read about Albanian history.

[Jana]

My genetics beg to differ

And why would the ancient city folks be influenced by these mountain people, we have 3000 year old cities. Something which you lack...

You should be more polite, First Albanologist was a Croat. It's a fact Albanians lacks maritime vocabulary and Albanians are first time mentioned pretty late which means they lived in inaccesible mountains of deep Balkans and came closer to the sea later. We have ancient cities too so I don't see your point. But they weren't built by Croats.

[TheMaestro]

Where my Dardanian plebs at.

[Jana]

It is an interesting theory but as the author said it is not conclusive. There are other possible theories and possible explanations. Northern Albania is not like the pleasant hills and plains of Gaul\France. In the rugged Pyrenees a pre-Roman language did survive for example (Basque language). And while Latin was the official language of Northern Albania, its contact with Western Latin was overshadowed by more lengthy contact with the East Roman Vlachs in medieval times (could also explain why the Albanian language is closer to Eastern Romance languages without necessarily mean they migrated somewhere from the Danube region).

Agree. I did not mean Albanians migrated from Danubian region, they are obviously native to Balkans. But E-V13 carriers I think did, and their expansion into Balkans was pretty late.
E-V13 looks to me main Thracian marker roughly speaking.

[Hulu]

You should be more polite, First Albanologist was a Croat. It's a fact Albanians lacks maritime vocabulary and Albanians are first time mentioned pretty late which means they lived in inaccesible mountains of deep Balkans and came closer to the sea later. We have ancient cities too so I don't see your point. But they weren't built by Croats.

what. no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albano..._Albanologists

I gotta say Feichy, you are not far from Serbs when it comes to opinions about our history.

[Jana]

This summary is pretty on point. Thracians and Dacians came from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gáva-Holigrady_culture
which has a more northern(north of Danube) origin compared to Illyrians which are related more to western med/Balkan culture.

Yes, but Illyrians as all IE tribes came from the north too. We don't even know if Illyrians were a thing genetically speaking. They probably were IMO, but more samples would help to be sure.

[Jana]

what. no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albano..._Albanologists

I gotta say Feichy, you are not far from Serbs when it comes to opinions about our history.

I like Albanians, but I won't buy BS about pure Illyrians origins. It's not true at all.

And yes, you should watch your mouth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_%C5%A0ufflay

"Milan Šufflay (8 November 1879 – 19 February 1931) was a Croatian historian and politician. He was one of the founders of Albanology .

On the request of the Albanian government and the Academy of Sciences in Vienna, he continued the work of Jireček and Thalloczy, editing the 3rd book of Codex albanicus, an archival collection. In 1931, he finally obtained a passport and travelled to Albania to sign a contract to work on Acta Albaniae.

Members of the regime organisation, Young Yugoslavia, under royal protection, ambushed him at his doorstep in Zagreb and broke his skull with a hammer, killing him. Then, they broke into his apartment and took the manuscript of the third book of Codex albanicus."