What do you dislike the most about your own nation?

**Celestia** · 12-20-2021, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Smitty

I have to disagree about American art. Our art may be more recent, but it is not bad. Norman Rockwell is a champ in my opinion. I'm no art aficionado, but I also remember learning about the Hudson River School of art, some really beautiful stuff. The same is true of a lot of our culture (music, literature, architecture). People don't think about how rich it is, but that's just because it's not what's being celebrated at the nadir of American civilization.

I’m unfamiliar with the Hudson River School of Art, but I will check it out. Thanks!

**Ellethwyn** · 12-20-2021, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Celestia

mentality/culture: Generally speaking, I can't stand the "woke" culture. There are no morals here anymore. We have slut walks, BLM/ANTIFA (was decent for maybe a week) Idolized secular social-lites, Extremely sensitive reactions to semi-controversial topics. I strongly oppose the mentality in Urban America.

Oh yes, the woke culture for sure.

**Celestia** · 12-20-2021, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Ellethwyn

Oh yes, the woke culture for sure.

I could go on and on about "woke" culture.

I can acknowledge that there's racial injustice that happens here. (That goes for all races, even whites.. surprise,surprise) But to the level of extremity that they're taking it to, is just absurd. My boyfriend (who is Afram) and I have lost some friends and even family members due to our view on the topic. And at this point, I don't care anymore.

**Daco Celtic** · 12-20-2021, 01:47 AM

Anti-intellectualism and rampant conspiracy theories

**Peterski** · 12-20-2021, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by rothaer

If at all a democracy, then this f. i.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussi...lass_franchise

But there are plenty of possibilities and I don't want to derail the thread.

I can see problems with that solution, and some are even mentioned in that article (such as Alfred Krupp having 33% of all votes in Essen). Also, someone who is extremely rich will still be in the first class of voters even if they pay very low taxes in terms of % rate.

I think a better solution would be f.i. to make it based not on absolute value of your taxes, but on your tax rate. And people would be able to choose their tax rate. Do you want an extremely powerful vote? No problem, pay 90% of your income to the state! You don't care about politics? No problem, choose a low tax rate but your vote will not matter! This solution still favours the rich (because they have much more of disposable income), but it only favours the patriotic rich, who are willing to pay a higher % of their income.

There can also be various extra bonuses to a person's vote's power related to other things. For instance, each six months of military service would give you some extra power to your vote. The same would apply to service in the volunteer Fire Department.

These are just examples.

**Blondie** · 12-20-2021, 10:10 AM

Danube Swabians: basically its a rural agricultural ethnicity, average danube swabians are similar to hobbits from the Shire.
Germans: i don't like the german policy, neither their very western mentality, maybe its not really true for east germans i dont know, i have never been there.
Hungarians: i dont like their pessimism, very annoying, lack of fish foods

**~~Ogweed~~** · 12-20-2021, 10:25 AM

Easy...gipsies.

Everything else can be fixed and is not so important anyway.

**rothaer** · 12-20-2021, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Tomenable

I can see problems with that solution, and some are even mentioned in that article (such as Alfred Krupp having 33% of all votes in Essen). Also, someone who is extremely rich will still be in the first class of voters even if they pay very low taxes in terms of % rate.

I think a better solution would be f.i. to make it based not on absolute value of your taxes, but on your tax rate. And people would be able to choose their tax rate. Do you want an extremely powerful vote? No problem, pay 90% of your income to the state! You don't care about politics? No problem, choose a low tax rate but your vote will not matter! This solution still favours the rich (because they have much more of disposable income), but it only favours the patriotic rich, who are willing to pay a higher % of their income.

There can also be various extra bonuses to a person's vote's power related to other things. For instance, each six months of military service would give you some extra power to your vote. The same would apply to service in the volunteer Fire Department.

These are just examples.

I fully agree to your thoughts. These are going in the direction of a meritocracy which I would even prefer. I'd also like to have a merite in a certain school grade. My thinking that lies behind is that it's better to have voters with elevated cognitive skills or at leat have them weighted more. All that could be tought of.

**rothaer** · 12-20-2021, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tomenable

I can see problems with that solution, and some are even mentioned in that article (such as Alfred Krupp having 33% of all votes in Essen). Also, someone who is extremely rich will still be in the first class of voters even if they pay very low taxes in terms of % rate.

I think a better solution would be f.i. to make it based not on absolute value of your taxes, but on your tax rate. And people would be able to choose their tax rate. Do you want an extremely powerful vote? No problem, pay 90% of your income to the state! You don't care about politics? No problem, choose a low tax rate but your vote will not matter! This solution still favours the rich (because they have much more of disposable income), but it only favours the patriotic rich, who are willing to pay a higher % of their income.

There can also be various extra bonuses to a person's vote's power related to other things. For instance, each six months of military service would give you some extra power to your vote. The same would apply to service in the volunteer Fire Department.

These are just examples.

I could well imagine dictatory governments, as are real monarchies. But I also see that the governtments of medieval German cities worked good. And there you had an elected council of some 10 people. But of course also there not everyone had the right to vote. So there are a number of possibilities.

**Hungarian_master** · 12-20-2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Blondie

Hungarians: i dont like their pessimism, very annoying, lack of fish foods

I don't have problem with the lack of fish foods, bacause I hate them.

I dislike about the Hungarians, that they are sheep, controllable and naive people. This may be due to the uneducation of many people and the strong propaganda of Orbán, but in the Gyurcsány age many people also belived that the Hungarian minorities from the neighboring countries (he called them as Romanians or Slovaks) take away the work of the Hungarians, as a result, they voted down their dual citizenship in the 2004 referendum.