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    Default Do you agree that DNA tests cannot determine one’s ethnicity but can only estimate it?

    I fully respect molecular biology and genetics but I believe that DNA tests can only estimate one’s ethnicity. Nowadays we mostly consider anthropological taxonomy as pseudoscience, although it used to be considered as a real science 100 years ago. In my opinion both anthropological classifications and determination of ethnicity by DNA are pseudoscience.

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    You are still butthurt because you are not genetic ethnic Turk?
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    They didn't detect my Syrian/Lebanese ancestry and I've confirmed I really have it.
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    You're addressing two completely different questions. We can't answer the one about phenotypic classifications, it's a matter of 'classifying,' and thus will be as correct as one can make it (i.e., it's a semantic issue and has some degree of biological reality ). The other question is whether DNA tests can determine one's ethnicity. There is an answer to that, and it is NO. It can assume and estimate, but it is a odds-game.
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    Development of autosomal genetics with DNA tests is one of the best achievements of science.
    It clearly shows ethnogenesis and genetical history through generatons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    You are still butthurt because you are not genetic ethnic Turk?
    No, but think of the fact that people used o try to determine their ethnicity by their skull metrics about 100 years ago and now such action sounds really weird. Today, people are trying to determine their ethnicity by their DNA and 100 years later, such action will also be considered as really weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reboun View Post
    No, but think of the fact that people used o try to determine their ethnicity by their skull metrics about 100 years ago and now such action sounds really weird. Today, people are trying to determine their ethnicity by their DNA and 100 years later, such action will also be considered as really weird.
    Users Kaspias and Thracian clearly discovered their Turkic component in their autosomal genetics.
    Some Hungarian users found proto-Magyar component in their autosomal genetics.
    We Balkan Slavs discovered a lot of proto-Slavic genetic heritage.

    It is great that modern science has advanced so much.
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    Well what humans archieved scientifically in the last 100 years, the technology is miles from anything before. Im sure genetic testing will improve even further, when I was a kid it was impossible to even think about that the ordinary people could ask for sequencing their genomes if you werent very wealthy. So comparing a development like dna testing to a very primitive stuff like simple metric system sounds somewhat thoughtless to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reboun View Post
    I fully respect molecular biology and genetics but I believe that DNA tests can only estimate one’s ethnicity. Nowadays we mostly consider anthropological taxonomy as pseudoscience, although it used to be considered as a real science 100 years ago. In my opinion both anthropological classifications and determination of ethnicity by DNA are pseudoscience.
    What is considered pseudo-science under Capitalism is irrelevant since science generally operates as an ISA (Ideological State Apparatus or "Idéologie et appareils idéologiques d'État). If Marxism is scientific Socialism then Capitalism is riddled with contradictions, anarchic with recurring crisis or crises (sp?).

    If you really want to be scientific about DNA tribal affinities then one has to go back before the rise of Feudalism and then Capitalism since then (the latter times) to be of a certain tribe or nation meant to be of the aristocracy or bourgeoisie.

    Here is an example of my ancient DNA admixture :

    Scandinavian (Iron Age) – VK390 34.1%

    Visigoth Germanic invader (Iberia) – I12163 27.6%

    Insular Celt (Roman period) – S14491 -38.3%

    Closest modern admixture :

    1 Dutch 2.870
    2 Norwegian 2.974
    3 Welsh 3.104
    4 Irish 3.127
    5 Scottish 3.159
    6 English 3.177
    7 Danish 3.218
    8 Orcadian 3.271
    9 French (Brittany) 3.327
    10 English (Cornwall) 3.429

    Now Estimate that I'm Dutch ? I mean Dutch is also a language and a culture not just genetics but yeah if you think All Dutch people walking around have all have the statistical 'average' genetic admixture then you are dumb. There is no such thing as Dutch or English genetics there is just an admixture that is just more typical of that population but there is a range that comes within that statistical average that makes you part of the wider tribe or diaspora so to speak.
    Last edited by JamesBond007; 12-20-2021 at 08:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post

    Now Estimate that I'm Dutch ? I mean Dutch is also a language and a culture not just genetics but yeah if you think All Dutch people walking around have all have the statistical 'average' genetic admixture then you are dumb. There is no such thing as Dutch or English genetics there is just an admixture that is just more typical of that population but there is a range that comes within that statistical average that makes you part of the wider tribe or diaspora so to speak.
    Precisely. It is the reason that I, mostly Slavic and Northwest European with a sprinkling of Balkan Roma, am genetically, according to every DNA calculator, 100% Hungarian. My combination of the far corners of Europe centers me, statistically, into the heart of Europe, Hungary, despite having no known Hungarian ancestors or relatives.
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