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    Foreigners, Brazil has the largest italian diaspora of the World, its more than 32 milion people and around 15.5% of the Brazilian population, but have in mind that many if not most of them are also half portuguese or colonial white and therefore they are also Luso-brasileiros (Lusitanian Brazilians). Half iberian half italian brazilians:

    Ana Maria Braga which uses her portuguese surname


    Lilian Cabral which also uses her portuguese surname.


    Cristiane Torloni


    Bruno Gagliasso

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Tendo em conta a premissa da questão, não se percebe a que propósito ou qual a relevância de enunciar que Portugal é atualmente um país pequeno e empobrecido, uma vez que o Brasil não foi fundado num passado recente mas sim num contexto histórico no qual Portugal economicamente não diferia significativamente do resto da Europa. Deduzo que o único propósito de iniciar a conversa nestes moldes seja o de escárnio ou de desprezo pelo país, apesar de ninguém negar que, sim, Portugal actualmente é um país pequeno com uma economia estagnada. Paralelamente, podíamos questionar também o porquê de um dos maiores e mais prestigiosos países da Europa não ter dado ao mundo nenhuma potência equiparável ao Brasil. Fica o repto.
    Completamente de acuerdo, parece que en los debates sobre cualquier país ibérico o de latino américa siempre tiene que ser desde un punto de vista ofensivo e insultando sin ninguna razón.

    Que les den por el culo, nadie debería responder a este tipo de temas. Solo deberíamos contestar en los debates de las secciones en portugués o en español.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Tendo em conta a premissa da questão, não se percebe a que propósito ou qual a relevância de enunciar que Portugal é atualmente um país pequeno e empobrecido, uma vez que o Brasil não foi fundado num passado recente mas sim num contexto histórico no qual Portugal economicamente não diferia significativamente do resto da Europa. Deduzo que o único propósito de iniciar a conversa nestes moldes seja o de escárnio ou de desprezo pelo país, apesar de ninguém negar que, sim, Portugal actualmente é um país pequeno com uma economia estagnada. Paralelamente, podíamos questionar também o porquê de um dos maiores e mais prestigiosos países da Europa não ter dado ao mundo nenhuma potência equiparável ao Brasil. Fica o repto.
    Bom dia colega, sei que não está se referindo a mim, mas sugiro você traduzir seu comentário para inglês, pois os comentários negativos sobre Portugal foram de pessoas estrangeiras escrevendo em Inglês.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Paralelamente, podíamos questionar também o porquê de um dos maiores e mais prestigiosos países da Europa não ter dado ao mundo nenhuma potência equiparável ao Brasil. Fica o repto.
    If France would have sent as many people to the Americas as England/UK did, not only they would have been able to keep Canada, Acadia and properly colonized/expanded Louisiana and their other holdings, but also would have avoided revolution at home.
    "My name is The Patriot, my fatherland is Santo Domingo, my condition is Citizen, my religion is the love of truth and justice, and my occupations are to boldly attack vice and loudly praise virtue".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    If France would have sent as many people to the Americas as England/UK did, not only would they have kept Canada, Acadia and properly colonized/expanded Louisiana and their other holdings, but also would have avoided revolution at home.
    Ironically, both the English and American Revolutions were intrinsically linked to colonialism, in the sense that the latter was a riposte against it and the former (by that I mean the Industrial Revolution) in turn drove a need to expand to overseas markets, especially India, in order to obtain the raw materials to fuel said industrialisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Ironically, both the English and American Revolutions were intrinsically linked to colonialism, in the sense that the latter was a riposte against it and the former (by that I mean the Industrial Revolution) in turn drove a need to expand to overseas markets, especially India, in order to obtain the raw materials to fuel said industrialisation.
    In the French case, a good chunk of the burgueoise motivation to strike at royalism didn't come only from their wanting to have more of a say in the political direction of things on the realm, but their sense of disappointment at France's continuing string of imperial losses from the War of Spanish Succession to the Seven Years War (Queen Anne and King George Wars in America).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Tendo em conta a premissa da questão, não se percebe a que propósito ou qual a relevância de enunciar que Portugal é atualmente um país pequeno e empobrecido, uma vez que o Brasil não foi fundado num passado recente mas sim num contexto histórico no qual Portugal economicamente não diferia significativamente do resto da Europa. Deduzo que o único propósito de iniciar a conversa nestes moldes seja o de escárnio ou de desprezo pelo país, apesar de ninguém negar que, sim, Portugal actualmente é um país pequeno com uma economia estagnada. Paralelamente, podíamos questionar também o porquê de um dos maiores e mais prestigiosos países da Europa não ter dado ao mundo nenhuma potência equiparável ao Brasil. Fica o repto.
    Quote Originally Posted by Autrigón View Post
    Completamente de acuerdo, parece que en los debates sobre cualquier país ibérico o de latino américa siempre tiene que ser desde un punto de vista ofensivo e insultando sin ninguna razón.

    Que les den por el culo, nadie debería responder a este tipo de temas. Solo deberíamos contestar en los debates de las secciones en portugués o en español.
    Mas vocês não conhecem a personagem em questão?

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    During the colonial period (1500-1815) around 700,000 Portuguese came to Brazil, after independence, in the period 1837–1968, around 1,700,000 million Portuguese immigrated to Brazil, with the Portuguese being the most numerous than Italian immigrants at that time. From these numbers, it's possible to know how much Portuguese is Brazil, almost everyone from whites to mixed, to blacks, is a descendant of those Portuguese who immigrated here.





    About Portuguese immigration, there is an interesting fact that in 1808 Portugal moved its capital from Lisbon to Rio de Janeiro, and along with the king came many Portuguese nobles, and with the independence of Brazil in 1822 these nobles stayed here, and today a good part of the upper class of the city of Rio de Janeiro are direct descendants of these Portuguese nobles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    Its a very portuguese country

    Its more portuguese than USA is english, I think only Uruguay can be more spanish and Australia more english than Brazil is portuguese.
    Honestly I dont think Brazil is more portuguese than countries like Paraguay, Colombia, Cuba, Costa Rica, PR and maybe Mexico are Spanish.

    Chile itself is 45% Spanish and 5-15% German/English/Croatian

    Brazil probably is 50% Portuguese and 10-15% Italian, German, Polish, etc.

    Countries like Colombia, Paraguay, Costa Rica are about 55-60% Spanish

    Cuba and PR about 65-70% Spanish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    Brazil overtaked UK in 2011, today Brazil is only becoming more and more distant of UK, Brazil is always in deep crisis these years.
    Yep. I just checked the figures published by the CIA World Factbook, and yes: Brazilian GDP is (with $2,989,430,000,000) in real terms slightly ahead of France ($2,832,170,000,000) and of the United K. ($2,797,980,000,000).

    What can I say? Other than this is a little bit humiliating. France and the UK used to be major actors on the world scene. It's all over now. C'est la vie, baby.

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