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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    But look at autosomal results (K36 data or G25 if you have any) of Kashubians and of Pommern Germans. They are not similar at all, Kashubians are much more Slavic. Check also the correlation maps by LM, I'm sure Pommern and Kashubia always or nearly always have different shades of colour for the same customer. So the mixture proportion was not similar. And in terms of Y-DNA Kashubians are in great majority (around 2/3) R1a, while German Pomeranians from Robert Gabel's project have much less of R1a.

    So maybe the geneticists' conclusion was correct.



    ^^^ Maybe the official language of the region, administrative language etc., played a role?

    Or e.g. if a noble who owned a village was a German, he gave his peasants German names?

    Even if he had Kashubian/Polish peasants in that village.
    I see the first point and you are right. I revoke my conclusion.

    But before we invent something that is not yet recorded in history: What about if Kashubs with German surnames were ethnic Germans per 1400 AD that mainly were the result of a Germanisation among Kashubs?

    The surnames then would reflect actual German ethnicity per 1400 AD. That would be in line with all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Maybe the official language of the region, administrative language etc., played a role?

    Or e.g. if a noble who owned a village was a German, he gave his peasants German names?

    Even if he had Kashubian/Polish peasants in that village.
    Ofc. the adminitrative language played a role as for the question whether a Germanisation or Polonisation of the inhabitants was the trend.

    But there will only be used a language that is present and understood in the environment. It must not have been the exclusive language of the environment. But if there are two languages in the environment, you will still have to use one of them for names (mustn't always be the same language). We can go on and imagine a special constellation where a German surname bearer was no ethnic German per 1400 AD (if that is needed for internal satisfaction).

    But it's still valid: If you hear hooves, think about horses and not about zebras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    I see the first point and you are right.
    But, maybe it is different for Eastern Pommern - Schlawe, Rummelsburg, Stolp, Lauenburg, Butow.

    I haven't seen any results from there. Maybe they are much more Slavic than "Pommern average"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    I see the first point and you are right. I revoke my conclusion.

    But before we invent something that is not yet recorded in history: What about if Kashubs with German surnames were ethnic Germans per 1400 AD that mainly were the result of a Germanisation among Kashubs?

    The surnames then would reflect actual German ethnicity per 1400 AD. That would be in line with all.
    I can assure you its much more complicated. ��

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