Many Holocausts in German history

[Peterski]

Jewish historian David Solomon says that not one but many holocausts happened multiple times in Germany during German history:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUlM2a2tsOM#t=3350 - from 0:55:50 to 0:57:10

"(...) The Shoah is not an isolated event. The project to exterminate the Jews of Germany happens here [pointing at the timeline of history], and here, and here, and here, and here, and here. And so people say - so why did Jews keep going back to Germany? Why did Jews keep going back? And I say - look at your own generation. Only half a century after the Holocaust, and what is the largest growing Jewish community in the world outside of Israel? It's Germany. And yet surely the lesson of this entire wall [pointing at the timeline of history] is that Jews should not be living in Germany. We hope and we pray... in the end of the day, in hundreds of years from now, I'm hoping that... well, if I'm starting to explain that more I'm gonna get further and further into problem, so I'm gonna stop, let's go back to history (...)"



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It seems he is right. There was already a holocaust of Jews in Medieval Germany. The one of 1939-1945 wasn't the first one in history.

And like he said in the lecture Jews who go to Germany make a mistake because there might be another holocaust there in the future.

Now we can ask holocaust deniers - "dude, but which holocaust do you deny?" - because there were several of them, it seems.

[Borealis]

Germany’s antisemitism historically seemed closer in intensity to eastern Europe than western Europe despite being firmly western/northern in terms of culture.

[Peterski]

Germany’s antisemitism historically seemed closer in intensity to eastern Europe than western Europe despite being firmly western/northern in terms of culture.

No, Western Europe was way more antisemitic than Eastern Europe. England killed or expelled all of its Jews in year 1290. Spain and Portugal killed or expelled all of their Jews in late 1400s. Expulsions of Jews from France and Italy also took place. Why do you think did Poland become home to the largest Jewish population in Europe? They came here as refugees, mainly from Germany, and then they quickly increased in numbers here (high natural growth rate thanks to legal privileges and favourable living conditions in general).

Western European antisemitic only became less intense after they got rid of their Jews, but even this is uncertain (as it is hard to evaluate the true level of antisemitism in a country without any Jewish population).

[Borealis]

No, Western Europe was way more antisemitic than Eastern Europe. England killed or expelled all of its Jews in year 1290. Spain and Portugal killed or expelled all of their Jews in late 1400s. Expulsions of Jews from France and Italy also took place. Why do you think did Poland become home to the largest Jewish population in Europe? They came here as refugees, mainly from Germany, and then they quickly increased in numbers here (high natural growth rate thanks to legal privileges and favourable living conditions in general).

Western European antisemitic only became less intense after they got rid of their Jews, but even this is uncertain (as it is hard to evaluate the true level of antisemitism in a country without any Jewish population).

True, however Jews were only 1% of the population of Germany at the time of the Nazis so that proves that a large concentration is not necessary.

[Peterski]

True, however Jews were only 1% of the population of Germany at the time of the Nazis so that proves that a large concentration is not necessary.

There were concentrations of Jews in big cities such as Berlin and Vienna, they were around 10% in each, IIRC.

That's already significant (especially that those were capital cities).

[Cristiano viejo]

Hololololcaust

[Borealis]

There were concentrations of Jews in big cities such as Berlin and Vienna, they were around 10% in each, IIRC.

That's already significant (especially that those were capital cities).

I suppose but overall they are still a small minority. 10% in Berlin and Vienna was modest compared to large cities of Poland and the western USSR.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

And like he said in the lecture Jews who go to Germany make a mistake because there might be another holocaust there in the future.

Lolz... Germans tremble at the thought of the Holocaust. You can go to prison if you deny the Holocaust and so no there won't be another one.

How many Jews live in Germany today, anyway? Roughly 120,000. That's not much. This is just hysteria. They prefer the US or stealing land in Palestine. Israel has many allies (as well as nuclear weapons) and so anyone who thinks those 120K Jews in Germany could one day be in danger is a hysteric or a moron.

A lot of kvetching over nothing.

[Peterski]

The antagonism towards Jews was greater in Poland than in Germany

It wasn't greater. Germany even had an official political party called Anti-Semites [die Antisemiten]. Poland did not. BTW, the antagonism between Jews, Whites and Blacks in modern USA is very great, especially since the start of the BLM movement. We could all see the pogroms on the streets of your big cities. That said, I'm sure you would not like if Mexico or Canada invaded & occupied you, and then exterminated one of those three groups (either Jews, Whites or Blacks) in gas chambers. Right? Exactly. Every nation should mind their own business and they should not attack other nations and meddle in their ethnic structure without permission, like the Germans did in Poland. That's why we can't forgive the Krauts what they did, even if there were frictions between Poles & Jews before WW2.

[Borealis]

It is amusing that a Pole is showing such concern for the Jews, btw. The antagonism towards Jews was greater in Poland than in Germany because the Polish nobility used the Jews as a buffer between them and the commoner and hence why you have amusing proverbs, such as "The Jew cries out in pain as he beats you."

Polish were by far the most friendly toward the Jews of all the Europeans aside from maybe Italians and some other southern Euros. But southern Europe had way fewer Jews than Poland so its all the more remarkable in the context of Europe.