Height, cephalic index and pigmentation of former USSR nations.

[Kalkarum]

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You should drop off anthropology, it's not for you farmer kiddo. You'd better stick to your retarded gedmatch resultz thread. You are clearly biased.

[cass]

Below is a metrical comparison of ethnic groups who inhabited former USSR (body length, cephalic index, facial index, % of concave noses, % of convex noses, eye pigmentation and hair pigmentation).

For the last two lower values mean less pigmentation.

Data used: Bunak, 1965, M.V. Vitov, 1964, 1997, K.Yu. Mark, 1975, G.F. Debets, 1941, N.N. Cheboksarov, 1946, K.Yu. Mark, 1960, G F. Debets, 1933, P. I. Zenkevich, 1941, M. S. Akimova, 1974, T. I. Alekseeva, 1955, T. V. Trofimova, 1949, V. D. Dyachenko, 1965, R. Ya. Denisova, 1958, V.P. Alekseev, 1994, M.V. Vitov et al., 1959, T. Tot, 1974.

Anthropological expedition started in 1955 and ended in 1959 when people were on average 10 cm shorter than today.

The original table included Swedes and Hungarians, but those studies were done outside USSR and the numbers didn't align with the rest of the table, thus I removed them.

Please post original tables in Bunak scale.

[Russki]

Please post original tables in Bunak scale.

Attachment 112000

[cass]

Attachment 112000

I mean Bunak not Deryabin.

Who did this excel compilation?

[Nurzat]

а почему забанили Коминтасавалту?

[cass]

Below is a metrical comparison of ethnic groups who inhabited former USSR (body length, cephalic index, facial index, % of concave noses, % of convex noses, eye pigmentation and hair pigmentation).

For the last two lower values mean less pigmentation.

Data used: Bunak, 1965, M.V. Vitov, 1964, 1997, K.Yu. Mark, 1975, G.F. Debets, 1941, N.N. Cheboksarov, 1946, K.Yu. Mark, 1960, G F. Debets, 1933, P. I. Zenkevich, 1941, M. S. Akimova, 1974, T. I. Alekseeva, 1955, T. V. Trofimova, 1949, V. D. Dyachenko, 1965, R. Ya. Denisova, 1958, V.P. Alekseev, 1994, M.V. Vitov et al., 1959, T. Tot, 1974.

Anthropological expedition started in 1955 and ended in 1959 when people were on average 10 cm shorter than today.

The original table included Swedes and Hungarians, but those studies were done outside USSR and the numbers didn't align with the rest of the table, thus I removed them.

Ok nobody wants to admit to be an author of this completely inconsistent data.
So I can add to compilation Cheboksarov Ilmen types/Novgorodians which should be dark as Greeks when using directly pigmentation dispersion of Deryabin.


Clearly pigmentation info of Deryabin its not any scientifically recognized scale neither Fisher/ (Martin–Schultz Scale) nor Bunak. Its probably dispersion among particular known series.
That’s why he used separately series of Cheboksarov, Bunak, Dyachenko etc.

FYI Those supposed dark Novgorodians, according to Russian Anthropologic Expedition, are one of the most depigmented Russian group, but for sure % of light eyes is much lower then among Finns or Estonians, and probably Byelorussians and Latvians.

[Russki]

Ok nobody wants to admit to be an author of this completely inconsistent data.
So I can add to compilation Cheboksarov Ilmen types/Novgorodians which should be dark as Greeks when using directly pigmentation dispersion of Deryabin.


Clearly pigmentation info of Deryabin its not any scientifically recognized scale neither Fisher/ (Martin–Schultz Scale) nor Bunak. Its probably dispersion among particular known series.
That’s why he used separately series of Cheboksarov, Bunak, Dyachenko etc.

FYI Those supposed dark Novgorodians, according to Russian Anthropologic Expedition, are one of the most depigmented Russian group, but for sure % of light eyes is much lower then among Finns or Estonians, and probably Byelorussians and Latvians.

What you don't want to admit is that the % of pure dark eyes in Belarus is 11,6%, while in Russia as a whole it's not even half of that - 5,1%.

More Russians belong in the middle category for the reasons we don't know yet.

[cass]

What you don't want to admit is that the % of pure dark eyes in Belarus is 11,6%, while in Russia as a whole it's not even half of that - 5,1%.

More Russians belong in the middle category for the reasons we don't know yet.

I would prefer to discuss specific data.
Deryabin was possibly the last author who used data from the 1940s in 2001, even though the effect of strong secular trend was known.
I'm not surprised he worked at the anthropology museum.

[Russki]

I would prefer to discuss specific data.
Deryabin was possibly the last author who used data from the 1940s in 2001, even though the effect of strong secular trend was known.
I'm not surprised he worked at the anthropology museum.

The specific data is that Russians are more light-eyed than Belarusians on light + mixed eyes.

Lisa moderator has the data of a modern Belarusian anthropologist Inessa Salivon who recently measured Belarusians on a Bunak scale and found:

44% pure light
44% mixed
12% dark

This means that Russians are more light-eyed than Belarusians even on pure light category alone.

I contacted Lisa to give the original data, it will be available when she returns to TA.

[cass]

The specific data is that Russians are more light-eyed than Belarusians on light + mixed eyes.

Lisa moderator has the data of a modern Belarusian anthropologist Inessa Salivon who recently measured Belarusians on a Bunak scale and found:

44% pure light
44% mixed
12% dark

This means that Russians are more light-eyed than Belarusians even on pure light category alone.

I contacted Lisa to give the original data, it will be available when she returns to TA.

This is possible, taking into account the Martin scale data collected so far.