The Coming Collapse of China and India

[VikLevaPatel]

both have low birth rates so r in decline

The cause for its inaccuracy may be due to the fact that Mapmygenome has only collected DNA samples from 3,000 customers, most of whom are probably of Indian descent. The company may just not have collected enough samples from a diverse enough range of customers to be able to get certain people’s ancestry results right.

DNA samples from 3,000 customers.
India's Population - 1.38 billion (2020)


Dynamic migration history, ethnic and genetic diversity and a high degree of consanguinity contribute to the complex and heterogeneous nature of the Indian population. There are many known genetic diseases affecting different population subgroups and insufficient scientific resources to diagnose and treat them. Genomic data is sensitive in nature and public sharing of such data brings a fair share of ethical and legal concerns with it. Front Genet. 2020; 11: 753.

India may face a population implosion. 'You have a baby factory in the north and a jobs factory in the south.'

India has long been a byword for overpopulation, but this is about to change. According to a new national survey, India’s total fertility rate, the average number of children a woman will bear during her lifetime, has fallen to 2—below the replacement level of 2.1 for the first time.

This does not mean that India’s population of 1.4 billion has begun to decline—yet. The country’s youthful demographics (the median age is 28) mean India will continue to grow until the middle of the century, when the population is expected to peak at 1.6 billion.

Nonetheless, India’s falling below replacement-level fertility—a feat China achieved in 1992—marks a major milestone. In a phone interview, Nicholas Eberstadt, an expert on global demographics at the American Enterprise Institute, points out that with India’s transition two-thirds of the world’s people now live in countries with fertility below replacement levels. The remaining third includes almost all of sub-Saharan Africa, where population growth continues to surge.

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India’s demographics matter beyond its borders. Forecasters estimate that India will replace China as the world’s most populous nation, perhaps as early as 2027. Much of New Delhi’s diplomacy hinges on the fact that more than 1 in 6 people live in India. This makes India pivotal in solving global challenges ranging from pandemics to climate change and mass migration. After it gained independence in 1947, India’s soaring population—made possible by advances in medicine and disease control—seemed to doom it to poverty and hunger. Droughts in the mid-1960s raised the specter of famine.

“To oversimplify, you have a baby factory in the north and a jobs factory in the south,” says Mr. Eberstadt. “But there’s a mismatch in educational attainment between a rising cohort in the north and the needs of the economy emerging in the south.” Kerala, in the south, has a literacy rate of 96%. Bihar, in the north, is 71%.

EAST IS EAST [AND WEST IS WEST]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-m...en-11640289956

This is big news not just for India but, seeing that its 1.4bn people are nearly a fifth of humanity, for the planet. The number of Indians will still grow, because many young women have yet to reach child-bearing age. But lower fertility means the population will peak sooner and at a lower figure: not in 40 years at more than 1.7bn, as was widely predicted, but probably a decade earlier, at perhaps 1.6bn.

India’s population will start to shrink sooner than expected

For the first time, Indian fertility has fallen below replacement level.

Problem … Solution … Problem: India’s population will start to collapse in two decades. It’s a matter of celebration – and concern

More babies were born in India in 2003 than any year before and after. Every year since then the number of live births has been falling consistently. Roughly 7 lakh fewer babies would have been born in 2021 than were born in 2003 – that’s 1,900 less kids born every day. The country witnessed another milestone in 2005. Fertility rate (average number of children born to a woman) fell below 3 that year. By 2019, that rate had slipped to 2 – well below the world average.

All these indicators point in the same direction – Indian family size is shrinking faster than most people think. It took only 14 years for the fertility rate to fall by 50% (from 3 to 2) in India, whereas in Bangladesh – globally acclaimed for birth control – a similar fall took 17 years.

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A smaller population will solve many of India’s endemic problems, but it could create new ones too if the composition of population is not right. Compared to other countries with the same fertility rate, India’s infant mortality rate is higher and life expectancy is lower. That means the coming fall in population could turn into a collapse. India is also home to the highest number of underweight and stunted children. The prospect of India ageing before prospering to the levels of Western countries is real. India could be in a worse situation because its primary education and healthcare system is worse than China. A reason why India’s economic take-off after 1991 reforms was slower than China’s post-1978 take-off is the solid runway of public education and healthcare that Mao had created in China before Deng Xiaoping opened the economy. India had no such runway. Today, an average Chinese is 60% more productive than an Indian. Despite being better off than India the projected collapse in China’s productive population will hobble its economic future. The country’s imminent rise to the world’s largest economy will not last more than 10-15 years after which the US will re-emerge at the top. The relative immigration friendliness of the US and its multiculturalism will help it replenish its productive population despite a low fertility rate.

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[sean]

China has over a billion and a half people, they can afford a collapse of population. It's demographic crisis is severely overblown. Having an overpopulation is worse than underpopulation, because it leads to social unrest and possibly civil wars or insurrections.

There is a huge demand for male children, so they will move on from the whole one child debacle (many couples will want to try more times until they have a son).

A large part of Chinese interior is currently underdeveloped but less populated (China never really developed outside of a few metro areas, internal migration from the rural to the cities is still controlled through a follow up of the Hukou system), these restrictions are now being lessened as they want to keep an influx of young people from the rural areas going to the cities for work.

They also stymied on purpose what should have been the natural increase in the wages of the lower class workers (income inequality remains very high especially between different provinces) out of fear of losing their only true competitive edge: cheap labour (their young male dominated population is what allowed them to flex so much power in the 2010s).

They are also hugely investing in biotechnology and medicine (already a big producer of generic drugs), and government incentives in automation.

The government wants to up the minimum retirement age to 65 when it used to be 60 (which was low because they wanted old people to let young people get jobs as there weren't enough jobs for everybody yet), to match developed countries.

Considering their failure to create a decent social services system (by utilising the profits from the boom years of the export economy, the majority of their population lives in cities which is generally terrible for fertility), it'll probably be in a bit of a better situation than current Japan population decline, because everything rests on real estate in China, as it's one of the few things a Chinese person can invest in.

[VikLevaPatel]

Will India fall before Omicron's latest wave?

Amid rising Covid numbers, experts evaluate whether the country is ready for the challenge

As for 2022, Covid infection is not what we witnessed two years ago when the pandemic just started. The virus mutated, adapting to people’s immune defenses and vaccines. Now we have Omicron – a seemingly less virulent, but far more contagious variant.

Despite the global efforts to tackle the pandemic, last autumn, a new strain appeared – Omicron – this time from South Africa. It’s highly contagious but causes milder symptoms, and it can infect even vaccinated people… and it put the world on high alert again as infections skyrocketed. According to Dr. Sohal, the numbers we have now may not be accurate. “The main question is how much testing has been taken. Because some people who get sick just don’t report their symptoms. For example, they already got one or two doses of the vaccines, so when they suffer any symptoms, they just don’t report them. In three or four days they are already out of it. This factor has to be taken into account. The problem is not in the quality, because testing can be quite good, but it’s about the numbers.” One common concern for all countries during the pandemic has been mass gatherings. Regarding India, with its population of 1.4 billion, it’s easy to imagine how massive gatherings can be. In 2021, during the second wave, thousands of worshippers took part in Kumbh Mela – an important Hindu religious festival.

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The life expectancy in India is relatively low at 69.96 compared to China's at 76. The world average is 72.6. Even Bangladesh has a score. That just shows how filthy India is! The next CoVid variant will more than likely comes from India against in a couple of months! Omicron lets their guard down!

https://www.rt.com/news/547260-omicr...ent-5718482540

[VikLevaPatel]

Balancing act. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi transformed India into a global power. But he is now struggling to balance mounting foreign-policy challenges, Derek Grossman writes.

China has been giving Modi the greatest headaches—in multiple areas. But the land border standoff is just the tip of the iceberg. From a broader perspective, Beijing has been vying with New Delhi for influence among the smaller South Asian nations—Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, and Sri Lanka—that have traditionally been more or less content residing in India’s strategic orbit.

The fear in New Delhi (as well as Washington and other like-minded capitals) is that Beijing is leveraging the BRI to achieve greater diplomatic, economic, and military access to these nations.

In particular, Wang’s visit to Comoros—the first ever by a Chinese foreign minister—underscores Beijing’s intent to challenge Indian influence throughout the entire Indian Ocean region.

[VikLevaPatel]

Of all the Godforsaken sh*tholes, this God-forsaken sh*thole of a subcontinent takes the cake.

India’s realism lacks the fire of idealism
‘We are living in hell’: Pakistan and India suffer extreme spring heatwaves
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HAPPENING: INDIA IS ON FIRE
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We are on fire and it's not even May yet

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Image related is the Bhalswa landfill which is 17-stories high and on fire.

It is 110F in India with lows not getting below 86F. The heatwave is not going away and only to get worse. All reporting on this issue is using the phrase "climate change". Maybe India should not have over a billion people. Even 500 million is too much.

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WooHoo, look who's talking about a genetic upgrade

I ask that you let this sink in as deeply as possible.

>>375353410
Check out the border ceremony between India and Pakistan. Pretty cool. India has potential, but the lower castes are basically Abos. What they need is a genetic upgrade of some sort, or a Mao Zedong to remove the entire lower genetic half of the country somehow. He would need a false excuse, like "Failure to worship the correct Gods", or "Insubordination to the higher castes". Maybe just "Shiva demands it, or the weather and crops won't succeed". I don't know.

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>>375354202
It wont happen, infact we are giving them freebies and reservation in government sector, they have power, the one who are educated, and loeer castes know that hinduism and vedic arya religon is not native and they are native "mulnivasi" people, forget cleansing them, having them subverted by us minority 5% brahmin is enough, they clean my toilets literally, why should i kill them

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>>375355167
You wouldn't. Just pressure them to have fewer kids. All they do is drag the whole country back to the stone-age. And, eventually your descendants will intermingle with their Abo-like blood.

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>>375320402
All these countries who are importing poos are in for very rude awakening. When we poos start showing our true colors, you'll realize why India is still a shithole even after gaining independence 75 years ago. Just wait and watch.

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>>374398459
Indian merchants fleeing their shithole nation. That is a sign of decay in India, the elites fleeing. You will be gone regardless, your women despise you.
You will be gone regardless, your women despise you.

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India is comprised of a conquered people, having been ransacked by all types of civilizations throughout history.

>>373571093
Reality is different from your imaginary copes. 1200 years of domination by Turkish Muslims vs a few hjndred years of being british housen**gers followed by third world shithole status.

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Mother[] you were conqered 200 times 100 percent that isnt yours ur conqers made it cope you have over 200 DNA of people who [] you

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The following description fits them to a tee all right.

Why do Indians have such an inferiority complex?

13 reasons why
1) Bad aesthetics and looks
2) Bad genetics (height, frame, muscles, etc)
3) No athleticism
4) Poor country
5) Cities from shitholes like brazil look better than ours we have no city planning too much overcrowding and our cities are dust ridden
6) School education teaching that india has been invaded since its inception.
7) School education teaching that caste, sati, etc were bad and the le good british removed it.
8) The math and science that we learn in school is pretty much discovered by whites only.
9) Weird skin colours like brown with green undertones or brown with dark brown sheen.
10) Culture of foul smell and streetshitting
11) Bob and vegana messaging and lusting after white women
12) Retard accent
13) Caste wewuzzing
Popular copes
1) Posting someone who is the whitest shade of brown and has caucasian features to disprove that indian aesthetics are bad, but this only proves that the less indian you look, the better.
2) Saying that bad genetics are due to poor nutrition, fact is that we have completely f*cked the genepool with dysgenic marriages and bad eating habits.
3) Saying that sports is not encouraged and sports authorities in india are corrupt, yet Croatia has more olympic medals than india (note that croatia is a balkan shithole with 4 million population and was created in 1991)
4) Saying that the british looted us which is why we are poor, real reason is that we had nehruvian socialist policies and failed to industrialize when population was booming, us being poor is our own fault.
5) Posting map of 88% toilets built, but it doesn't matter as damage to the reputation has been done.
6) bob vegana in action >>>/b/12501 >>>/b/12503 >>>/b/12511
7) People will say that indian english is the proper phonetic way of english, no it isnt, our accent lacks intonation also writing looks like ESL tier person trying to write queens english, it looks funny
8) People will argue about which caste is more aryan or more steppe, they want to be white but cant, so this is their only outlet. I once saw a punjabi saying that we are the most european and most racist in india.
9) chuds might post indian male white female pics, but this only proves that you regard whites as a superior forbidden fruit and conversely yourself as inferior, but they are too stupid to understand.
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There are things you can change, and there are things which you cannot change. If you get fixated on the immutable things you will become a blackpill autist and if you get fixated on the latter you will become a trad or smth

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This observation is the one that finally nails...

"loss of self-respect and dignity anon. centuries of r*ping and plundering of this country led the later generations believe that they are only meant to be subservient slaves to foreign invaders. i guess this also has lead to a sense of apathy. when was the last time you ever noticed us sincerely trying and building something even as small as a pc game and making it go viral? even china has genshin impact ffs."

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[VikLevaPatel]

'We are the last generation':
China's harsh lockdowns could exacerbate population crisis

China was already teetering on the edge of population decline, according to many analysts. “China is in an absolute fertility disaster at the moment,” said Darrell Bricker, author of Empty Planet, a book about global population decline.

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China is aging fast. China’s rapidly aging society and plunging birth rate poses a host of challenges for its leaders, including a shrinking number of young workers and an increasingly unstable pension system. Changing the population’s mindset, however, is proving trickier than envisaged.

Carrying on the family line has long been a filial duty in traditional Chinese culture. But in today's China, not having children -- or delaying it -- has become a form of soft resistance and silent protest against what many see as the disappointing reality they live in, with deep-rooted structural problems stemming from a system that they have little power to change. "It is a tragic expression of despair of the deepest kind," Zhang Xuezhong, a human rights lawyer and former law professor in Shanghai, wrote on Twitter about the video. "We've been robbed of a future that is worth looking forward to. It is arguably the strongest denunciation a young man can make of the era he lives in."

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Mapped: The World's Population Density by Latitude

The Future of Population Density Near the Equator
Looking ahead to 2100, the UN projects that the global population will rise to almost 11 billion. This would increase global population density from 59.11 people per square kilometer in 2022 to 80.82 per square kilometer in 2100. However, the projections show that Asia will not be the biggest contributor to this growth. Instead, the most considerable jump in population is predicted for Africa, set to grow by almost 200% from almost 1.5 billion people today to 4.3 billion in 2100.

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[Hexachordia]

Only criticisms like this post and those foreign spouses living in China who say "I love China" are the original taste of my westerners. Criticisms are like a bottle of cool water in a middle of the desert for chinese people, we need criticism so bad that either benevolent or malicious ones are welcomed, we are tired of daily exaltations.

[Roy]

I've heard that China did stop with their one child policy, I guess the reasons are clear. It came as a surprise but this was brewing for a while.

[Tooting Carmen]

I've heard that China did stop with their one child policy, I guess the reasons are clear. It came as a surprise but this was brewing for a while.

Because when it comes to population, what matters are not just raw numbers, but the balance in age groups and socioeconomic classes.

[VikLevaPatel]

You Beta 'Currycels' got anything better to do? Like adding to your deep insecurities about race and talking about how Indians are "genetic garbage", to use the words of this CurryCel, or about Indian women's thirst for white men.

Instead of posting on cursed site Twitshitter all day and trying to start a religious war.

Even bitching all day long, every day, about "how inferior you are in every way" beats sitting around trying to think up new ways to aggravate Muslims.

It's pity you have nothing better to do.

Or is the country too far gone.

But deep down you know the truth just like I.

You really f*cked up. The mighty British handed this "Jewel in the Crown" to you on a silver plate and you screwed it up royally.

And it doesn't pay to be the most hated "race" on 4chan/4plebs either! Makes me embarrassed and ashamed of being born in that utter pestilential cesspool of humanity. Although I should point out that I was born on THE ROYAL GROUNDS OF CENTRAL GUJARAT. And moreover, it was a very dangerous night, and almost all the babies died.

This Birth Chart just can't be any more dangerous and cannot be surpassed. Pluto in the first house is maximally apparent, and being born under this 'Krittika' (Pleiades) Nakshatra gives me a harsh, cruel, brutal, and discerning outlook on life. So, basically, I have anger and hate running through my veins.

My own Jewish-Australian doctor has called me "The Devil," but he also regards me as the most awesome person he's known and ever will know.

'My family faces threat from Islamic fundamentalists': Expelled BJP leader Naveen Jindal amid row over Prophet

Indian officials step up arrests, demolish houses to stop unrest over anti-Islam remarks

Muslims have taken to the streets across India in recent weeks to protest against the anti-Islamic comments by two members of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Clashes have broken out between Muslims and Hindus and in some cases between protesters and police in several areas.

The sentiments expressed here are not surprising.

I am quite in agreement, I might say, on my own, with some of the sentiments expressed here. No, I can't say that I by any means disapprove or disagree of some of the general sentiments expressed. No one, in fact, could disagree with the sentiments expressed in this statement:

Hinduism "attracts western hippies and other new age, low IQ idiots."

They have made a complete mockery of their faith and of the much-touted "sanatana dharma". ISKCON has played a significant role in this regard and has contributed significantly to the degradation of contemporary Hindu religion.

Tavleen Singh writes: Religion and politics do not mix. "If religion had not become part of our political discourse, none of this would have happened. But, because it has, we have a situation in which BJP spokespersons appear to have been encouraged to demean Islam."

Why don't we just say, that "no nation can have true faith but in the government and religion, that emanate from reason."

Tavleen Singh's name rings a bell with me. Yeah, that name rings a very loud and clear bell! Like a church bell.

I can remember reading about them, more especially when their son Aatish Taseer was dating Lady Gabriella Windsor, the daughter of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent. Lady Ella is now married to Thomas Kingston, but I definitely remember that during the period she was dating Aatish, her mother, Princess Michael of Kent (born Baroness Marie Christine von Reibnitz), had been bombarded with mail requesting, or rather demanding, her not to proceed with a marriage or not to approve of him or of the potential marriage. And I also remember Princess Michael of Kent praising Ella's boyfriend so highly and thinking that Aatish was the best thing since sliced bread. To the extent that she'd called him the handsomest man she'd ever seen.

Salman Taseer with whom Tavleen had a relationship in 1980, was assassinated in cold blood by one his own body guards while leaving a Cafeteria in one of the up-town markets of Pakistan's Federal Capital, Islamabad.

Their relationship raises important questions about intermarriage and ethnic identity and about the nature of ethnic or cultural pluralism.

The first question coming to our mind is: Who called the shots, or was this an equal relationship? Aatish's circumcision operation suggests that it was Salman who usually called the shots:

It was then that Taseer packed his bags and got on the road, with an eye to grappling with who he was. He knew he would have to deal with Islam, the religion and civilisation, which was integral to his own identity despite having grown up in the hybridised Hindu-Sikh culture of New Delhi, with an occasional element of ‘cultural Islam’ thrown in. (He realised he was different from the Sikh family of his mother only as a five-year-old, when he was urinating and a cousin stared at him and screamed, “Aatish ka susu nanga hai!” At that time, he wondered why anyone would say he had a naked penis.) So began Taseer’s journey to understand the Subcontinent, ravaged by divisions that had shaped and destroyed the relationship of his parents.

Fatherland, Himal Southasian, Apr 01, 2009

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