"Hallstatt Nordic"

[Creoda]

The Austrians are SW Euro like, but the Czech Iron Age is North French like! There's a turnip for the books (although the two previous Hallstatt samples from Cze were divided, one North French like, one SW Euro like).

Averages:

Distance to: AUT_IA_La_Tene
0.01878363 French_Auvergne
0.02107609 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02113828 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02252736 French_Occitanie
0.02340511 French_Provence
0.02344695 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02374514 Swiss_French
0.02376993 Spanish_Girona
0.02398743 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02408162 Spanish_Lleida
0.02418693 Spanish_Penedes
0.02423595 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02466524 Italian_Northeast
0.02482884 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02523660 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02557335 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02658093 Spanish_Baleares
0.02677327 Italian_Veneto
0.02748863 Spanish_Menorca
0.02769109 Swiss_German

Distance to: CZE_IA_Hallstatt
0.02092513 French_Nord
0.02108294 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02150384 French_Alsace
0.02286985 Belgian
0.02343261 Swiss_German
0.02423916 German
0.02547487 French_Paris
0.02618110 Austrian
0.02682101 French_Occitanie
0.02864765 French_Brittany
0.02926698 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02932735 French_Auvergne
0.03066725 Afrikaner
0.03177259 Welsh
0.03264466 Swiss_French
0.03454600 English_Cornwall
0.03462913 English
0.03606177 Dutch
0.03759427 Hungarian
0.03798577 Orcadian


Distance to: CZE_IA_La_Tene
0.01703564 French_Brittany
0.01707957 Belgian
0.01735262 German
0.01736496 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.01768133 French_Nord
0.02087601 French_Alsace
0.02089861 Welsh
0.02232584 Afrikaner
0.02268327 French_Paris
0.02329333 Swiss_German
0.02338399 English
0.02393348 English_Cornwall
0.02540834 Austrian
0.02568672 Dutch
0.02608495 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02668538 Orcadian
0.02692942 Scottish
0.02951681 French_Occitanie
0.03040330 Danish
0.03070091 Irish
0.03313495 French_Auvergne
0.03355894 Shetlandic
0.03483891 Norwegian
0.03580252 German_East
0.03644517 Icelandic

Distance to: CZE_IA_La_Tene_Hallstatt
0.03467321 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03589264 Swiss_French
0.03691070 French_Auvergne
0.03766178 French_Paris
0.03771456 French_Occitanie
0.03869517 French_Nord
0.03921399 Swiss_German
0.03981303 French_Alsace
0.04057829 Belgian
0.04151222 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04284376 French_Provence
0.04360273 Spanish_Soria
0.04370043 Spanish_Penedes
0.04452110 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04472238 Spanish_Girona
0.04477058 Austrian
0.04530433 German
0.04619204 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04665426 Spanish_Castello
0.04674797 French_Brittany
0.04721220 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04729474 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04763911 Spanish_Lleida
0.04779536 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04780505 Italian_Northeast

[Peterski]

Distance to: AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708
0.02996220 Swiss_French
0.03076345 French_Auvergne
0.03414650 French_Provence
0.03489460 French_Occitanie
0.03654459 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03699700 Spanish_Castello
0.03712843 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03719893 Italian_Veneto
0.03732971 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03783411 Swiss_German

I remember when you claimed that modern Swiss French have tons of Germanic admixture. And now we have a Hallstatt Celt from Austria, without any Germanic ancestry, who is close to Swiss French.

BTW what you claimed years ago was that Proto-Celts were similar to Basques, IIRC.

The Austrians are SW Euro like, but the Czech Iron Age is North French like! There's a turnip for the books (although the two previous Hallstatt samples from Cze were divided, one North French like, one SW Euro like).

Averages:

Distance to: AUT_IA_La_Tene
0.01878363 French_Auvergne
0.02107609 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02113828 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02252736 French_Occitanie
0.02340511 French_Provence
0.02344695 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02374514 Swiss_French
0.02376993 Spanish_Girona
0.02398743 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02408162 Spanish_Lleida
0.02418693 Spanish_Penedes
0.02423595 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02466524 Italian_Northeast
0.02482884 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02523660 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02557335 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02658093 Spanish_Baleares
0.02677327 Italian_Veneto
0.02748863 Spanish_Menorca
0.02769109 Swiss_German

Distance to: CZE_IA_Hallstatt
0.02092513 French_Nord
0.02108294 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02150384 French_Alsace
0.02286985 Belgian
0.02343261 Swiss_German
0.02423916 German
0.02547487 French_Paris
0.02618110 Austrian
0.02682101 French_Occitanie
0.02864765 French_Brittany
0.02926698 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02932735 French_Auvergne
0.03066725 Afrikaner
0.03177259 Welsh
0.03264466 Swiss_French
0.03454600 English_Cornwall
0.03462913 English
0.03606177 Dutch
0.03759427 Hungarian
0.03798577 Orcadian


Distance to: CZE_IA_La_Tene
0.01703564 French_Brittany
0.01707957 Belgian
0.01735262 German
0.01736496 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.01768133 French_Nord
0.02087601 French_Alsace
0.02089861 Welsh
0.02232584 Afrikaner
0.02268327 French_Paris
0.02329333 Swiss_German
0.02338399 English
0.02393348 English_Cornwall
0.02540834 Austrian
0.02568672 Dutch
0.02608495 French_Seine-Maritime
0.02668538 Orcadian
0.02692942 Scottish
0.02951681 French_Occitanie
0.03040330 Danish
0.03070091 Irish
0.03313495 French_Auvergne
0.03355894 Shetlandic
0.03483891 Norwegian
0.03580252 German_East
0.03644517 Icelandic

Distance to: CZE_IA_La_Tene_Hallstatt
0.03467321 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03589264 Swiss_French
0.03691070 French_Auvergne
0.03766178 French_Paris
0.03771456 French_Occitanie
0.03869517 French_Nord
0.03921399 Swiss_German
0.03981303 French_Alsace
0.04057829 Belgian
0.04151222 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04284376 French_Provence
0.04360273 Spanish_Soria
0.04370043 Spanish_Penedes
0.04452110 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04472238 Spanish_Girona
0.04477058 Austrian
0.04530433 German
0.04619204 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04665426 Spanish_Castello
0.04674797 French_Brittany
0.04721220 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04729474 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04763911 Spanish_Lleida
0.04779536 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04780505 Italian_Northeast

Auvergne is not SW Euro, but rather Central French.

Remember that the famous Vercingetorix was born in present-day Auvergne and probably he was not very different autosomally from modern Auvergnants.

Auvergne is not Spanish-like autosomally.

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What this study shows is that Iron Age Celts had a similar range of variation as the modern French. It also confirms that the French are mostly descended from Celts.

[Creoda]

I still think the Alpine Celts/natives were more Italian shifted, they were from LBK Farmers with less WHG than Atlantic Farmers, and all of France, Iberia, and the British Isles shifted east after the Bronze Age. North France and Britain to the southeast, Iberia to the northeast (from proto-Gauls). Modern South/West Germans are modelled more between Scandinavians and North Italians, rather than Iberians.

[Creoda]

What this study shows is that Iron Age Celts had a similar range of variation as the modern French. It also confirms that the French are mostly descended from Celts.

No shit, but how much are they descended from proto-Celts?

[Creoda]

Rather prove that the depigmentation of this type is rather late phenomena.

Or it was a misnomer in the first place, which we already knew.

[Peterski]

I still think the Alpine Celts/natives were more Italian shifted, they were from LBK Farmers with less WHG than Atlantic Farmers, and all of France, Iberia, and the British Isles shifted east after the Bronze Age. North France and Britain to the southeast, Iberia to the northeast (from proto-Gauls). Modern South/West Germans are modelled more between Scandinavians and North Italians, rather than Iberians.

Italian influence on South/West Germans is the result of Imperial Roman population (this includes East Med admixture) which they absorbed from settlements along the Rhine.

Modern North Italians have MENA admixture, ancient Alpine Celts didn't have it.

But Imperial Romans did.

Modern South/West Germans have low levels of it from Imperial Romans.

North Italians are a mix of Romans and Alpine Celts, that's probably why South/West Germans - who have both Celtic and Imperial Roman admixtures - are modelled well as Scandinavians plus North Italians.

[tipirneni]

Apart from those, There are high EEF groups which have different profile altogether who have Levant like mtDNA , K1a etc... and some more ancient Steppe mix

Target: Scotland_C_EBA_highEEF_low_res:I2413___BC_1986___C overage_8.18%
Distance: 2.9202% / 0.02920232
24.2 DEU_Tollense_BA
19.8 Scotland_LIA
19.0 DNK_BA
8.8 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
7.8 VK2020_Faroes_EM
4.6 RUS_Fatyanovo_Tver_BA
3.0 ZAF_2100BP
2.8 ITA_Daunian
2.8 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
2.6 CMR_Shum_Laka_3000BP
2.6 PER_Laramate_900BP
0.8 SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
0.6 ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole
0.6 Wales_Meso

[J.S.]

You are showing only the samples that you like, very selectively (why didn't you show also for example Hallstatt and La Tene samples from Czechia?).

And here is K36 Similitude map for Iron Age Channel Islands (all samples are from one island, Alderney):

Can you, please, do the same with the Hallstatt/La Tene samples (averaged, i guess... from the different countries of Central Europe, or is it too much work?

[J.S.]

I remember when you claimed that modern Swiss French have tons of Germanic admixture. And now we have a Hallstatt Celt from Austria, without any Germanic ancestry, who is close to Swiss French.

BTW what you claimed years ago was that Proto-Celts were similar to Basques, IIRC.



Auvergne is not SW Euro, but rather Central French.

Remember that the famous Vercingetorix was born in present-day Auvergne and probably he was not very different autosomally from modern Auvergnants.

Auvergne is not Spanish-like autosomally.

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What this study shows is that Iron Age Celts had a similar range of variation as the modern French. It also confirms that the French are mostly descended from Celts.

Auvergne, SW. Euro... Auvergne, the land of Vercingetorix, is definitely central France. Congrats mate...i'm very impressed by your knowledge and honesty.

[XenophobicPrussian]

You are showing only the samples that you like, very selectively (why didn't you show also for example Hallstatt and La Tene samples from Czechia?).

You can't be this dumb dude. If you weren't too lazy to actually read the whole post I cover Czechia, not that Czechia has any relevance to this(where is Hallstatt? Austria, not Czechia). Maybe you want me to use a sample from Celtic Anatolia too? The lone Hungarian sample is also not from Austria, but given Hungary is even more southern/eastern geographically yet the sample clustered where it did it's clear that sample was a migrant descendant from Austria/the Alpine core, as are all the SW Euro clustering samples found all over Celtic Europe. Czech Celts were not only N. French like, but some clustered around modern Austrians, Germans, East Germans, indicating they had exotic eastern admixture as well. All of this is irrelevant either way to what the core, original Celts were, especially in this thread where I mock the phenotypical classification of "Hallstatt Nordic"(literally based on skulls from -HALLSTATT-, Austria).

I remember when you claimed that modern Swiss French have tons of Germanic admixture. And now we have a Hallstatt Celt from Austria, without any Germanic ancestry, who is close to Swiss French.

I've already educated you on this before, why do I have to keep repeating myself? Modern Swiss French do have around 20-25% Germanic admixture, where they cluster is meaningless and irrelevant. Ancient Romans also cluster around SW Europeans, that does not mean Iberians are ancient Romans. Swiss French are a mish mash of these core Alpine Celts, pre-Celtic-Germanic French from the NW(from intra-Celtic migration and then later intra medieval/modern French migration), Germanics with lots of exotic things from the Romans as well, it just so happens this specific mix wound up having similar WHG/EEF/etc components as the original inhabitants of the area. I don't know why you still post about or have an interest in genetics when you still have no idea what you're doing after all these years.