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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohor View Post
    splitting Baltic States into different zones all I want to say is...
    Estonia and Lithuania never had anything in common before Soviet occupation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Genetics >>> pseudo science like antropology
    Well OK, but if you took out some of the Neolithic/Levantine admixture of Southern Italians and substituted it for Caucasus/Anatolian admixture, wouldn't you essentially get a Greek-like population?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Russki View Post
    Estonia and Lithuania never had anything in common before Soviet occupation.
    Hic sunt dracones from Croatian perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russki View Post
    Estonia and Lithuania never had anything in common before Soviet occupation.
    Keep in mind Estonia exists since 1918, there was no Eesti before, which means Baltic love for Russians is what connects them pretty much.

    But before 1918 you have:
    - dealing with Teutons - both had to fight with them and both have incorporated some German stuff in their culture
    - dealing with Slavs - Lithuanians with Poles, Estonians more with Russians
    - southern part of Estonia was part of Lithuanian principality of PLC, even university in Tartu was established during their rule
    - both have strong boundary to their pagan traditions, no matter if before of after Soviets since they both partially base their identity on these

    Anyways, why would you consider all the history of states, when only last 50 years matter, but make it to times since WWII as it was last recent crucial historical event.
    If you will go back and back in history you can boundary all people to "ugh we were all ooga booga, we are one", or the map I posted would also make sense since "ugh Germans and Russians were both shit during the glow of Roman Empire". People base their veiws on the most recent stuff as the most recent events influence today the most, finally is it 2022 edition or not?

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    I am simpler than you, Feiichy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well OK, but if you took out some of the Neolithic/Levantine admixture of Southern Italians and substituted it for Caucasus/Anatolian admixture, wouldn't you essentially get a Greek-like population?
    A a southern Greek islander like population yes. But mainland Greeks especially ones north of the peloponnese can’t be so easily compared to Sicilians on a genetic level and these people make up the majority of the population, not east med islands like Crete kos and rhodes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    A a southern Greek islander like population yes. But mainland Greeks especially ones north of the peloponnese can’t be so easily compared to Sicilians on a genetic level and these people make up the majority of the population, not east med islands like Crete kos and rhodes.
    Didn't even Sikeliot himself say that Greek islanders are more Sicilian-like than Epirote/Peloponnessian-like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohor View Post
    dealing with Slavs - Lithuanians with Poles, Estonians more with Russians
    Lithuanians by default have more in common with Poles than with Estonians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Didn't even Sikeliot himself say that Greek islanders are more Sicilian-like than Epirote/Peloponnessian-like?
    They are artificially closer to them in single distance due to similar levels of Neolithic steppe and WANA but they’re going to share more actual ibd/shared ancestry with mainland Greeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    I don't see the relevance for grouping meta regions in the Stearsolina Europe map. I could just rename West Prussia to German settled part of West Prussia or label them smaller regions, like Elbing, Danzig etc. and then Germans would be in majority.

    I know that you like to put sticks into an anthill and see what happens as you admitted, but pls spare us from too much such games.
    In my map the territory of former West Prussia is painted green, the territory of Lower Silesia is painted green, and the Czech Republic is also painted green. So what's the problem?

    Do any Germans from areas which in my map are painted blue also cluster with Czechs (except for Beeskow area which actually clusters with Poles - also green colour - not with Czechs)?

    Former Memelland is also green in my map. As is Lithuania. And the data you collected shows that Germans from Memelland were genetically close to Lithuanians (just like Poles from Suwałki Region, by the way).

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