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    Quote Originally Posted by IberianAlex View Post
    From my point of view, how about we just refrain from inventing artificial states because Macedonian is nearly identical to Bulgarian (so close that Bulgarians claim it's a Bulgarian dialect) and genetically you are the same people.

    Although I know this is a touchy subject, so I'll just leave it at that.
    Below is an interview between a Croat and a Macedonian. The Croat speaks in Croatian and the Macedonian in Macedonian, no translation needed. Something to think about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IberianAlex View Post
    From my point of view, how about we just refrain from inventing artificial states because Macedonian is nearly identical to Bulgarian (so close that Bulgarians claim it's a Bulgarian dialect) and genetically you are the same people.

    Although I know this is a touchy subject, so I'll just leave it at that.
    Don’t blame your stance, when one considers easy to get info from Wikipedia and the general error of locals of the 19th century calling Slavs Bulgars, especially from Greek locals who termed them as a lesser people ‘Boulgaroi’ (Dirty, Filithy, Underclass). This terminology eventually got to be replaced with the nation state of Bulgaria. This terminology even made its way up to Bosnia where Russian travellers classed the people as ‘Bulgarian’.

    Language, wow, where do l start, if one analyses this childish comparison of Standard Bulgarian to Standard Macedonian of Prilep dialect then yes there are similarities but what about other dialects? Northern Macedonian dialects or Eastern Macedonian dialects? The Northern and Eastern dialects could be considered closer to Serbian than Bulgarian, hell, even Western Bulgarian dialects from the Iskar River is closer to Serbian than it is to Standard Bulgarian.

    Anyway, l think it’s dumb to call it Bulgarian and do these analyses because it completely does not take into account culture, migration and history. In a technicality, all those dialects and languages are Serbian, Serbian has a much more complex grammar than them and secondly the language of Old Bulgarian was a central Asian Altaic tongue, not Slavic at the arrival of Asparuckh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    Don’t blame your stance, when one considers easy to get info from Wikipedia and the general error of locals of the 19th century calling Slavs Bulgars, especially from Greek locals who termed them as a lesser people ‘Boulgaroi’ (Dirty, Filithy, Underclass). This terminology eventually got to be replaced with the nation state of Bulgaria. This terminology even made its way up to Bosnia where Russian travellers classed the people as ‘Bulgarian’.

    Language, wow, where do l start, if one analyses this childish comparison of Standard Bulgarian to Standard Macedonian of Prilep dialect then yes there are similarities but what about other dialects? Northern Macedonian dialects or Eastern Macedonian dialects? The Northern and Eastern dialects could be considered closer to Serbian than Bulgarian, hell, even Western Bulgarian dialects from the Iskar River is closer to Serbian than it is to Standard Bulgarian.

    Anyway, l think it’s dumb to call it Bulgarian and do these analyses because it completely does not take into account culture, migration and history. In a technicality, all those dialects and languages are Serbian, Serbian has a much more complex grammar than them and secondly the language of Old Bulgarian was a central Asian Altaic tongue, not Slavic at the arrival of Asparuckh.
    Macedonians and Bulgarians don’t need translation when they speak each other. Although I have seen some Macedonians speaking in English in Bulgaria and that made the situation more comical and absurd

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelikarski View Post
    Macedonians and Bulgarians don’t need translation when they speak each other. Although I have seen some Macedonians speaking in English in Bulgaria and that made the situation more comical and absurd
    Also this can be seen with Serbs, especially Macedonians of Northern and Eastern Dialects and Western Bulgars (west of Iskar) you know, ones who use ON, ONA & ONI etc…

    Again it’s dumb, both Bulgarian and Macedonian, what are classified as languages are just ‘Serbian Dialects’. How could a simpler dialect, like Bulgarian, be the father of Serbian (a far complex Slavic tongue). Old Bulgarian is a language of Central Asian Turks, like GAUGAZI, in fact historians call the Gaugazi direct descendants of Asparukh.

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    Balkans need some immigration from outside Europe to temper down local nationalism Romania has a surge in nationalism now as well, and it's frightening. maybe if big cities would be like 40% non-Romanian on average it would help keep Romanians less preoccupied with such fantasies as "nation-states"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    Balkans need some immigration from outside Europe to temper down local nationalism Romania has a surge in nationalism now as well, and it's frightening. maybe if big cities would be like 40% non-Romanian on average it would help keep Romanians less preoccupied with such fantasies as "nation-states"
    Romanian nationalism couldn't be any more inclusive, considering that its de facto leader barely looks ethnically Romanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    Balkans need some immigration from outside Europe to temper down local nationalism Romania has a surge in nationalism now as well, and it's frightening. maybe if big cities would be like 40% non-Romanian on average it would help keep Romanians less preoccupied with such fantasies as "nation-states"
    Study Yugoslavia and especially the Serbian region of Kosovo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    Study Yugoslavia and especially the Serbian region of Kosovo.
    I see Romania and for Romania I can tell that majority ethnic group has no respect for minority native groups (which are not minority in their own territory, actually), and not only that, but they celebrate their flag, anthem etc a lot, and do very provocative stuff like gathering thousands of people from another region for a display of power in front of other ethnic groups. if even Romanians, Europe's poorest country etc has such fantasies of grandeur, it's laughable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    I see Romania and for Romania I can tell that majority ethnic group has no respect for minority native groups (which are not minority in their own territory, actually), and not only that, but they celebrate their flag, anthem etc a lot, and do very provocative stuff like gathering thousands of people from another region for a display of power in front of other ethnic groups. if even Romanians, Europe's poorest country etc has such fantasies of grandeur, it's laughable
    Then what does that make Ukraine? Ukraine has a GDP per capita of $8,800 as of 2017, while in Romania, the GDP per capita is $24,600 as of 2017. Why not go back to your Hutsul homeland of Ukraine? Great economy right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    Then what does that make Ukraine? Ukraine has a GDP per capita of $8,800 as of 2017, while in Romania, the GDP per capita is $24,600 as of 2017.

    I don't live in Ukraine. do you know where Romania was just a few years ago? they didn't have enough food most of the days in the towns/cities, relatives were coming to countryside for food on weekends. all the recent development is because of corporate jobs, but don't think that those numbers are relevant for the countryside. in the meantime they've got good wages in the city, but the countryside (half of the population of Romania, as Romania is by far the most rural country in Europe) is on Medieval standards. my parents still have an outhouse and no running water, for example, they drink from a well. anyway, the point was Romanians' rabid nationalism

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