Bulgarians and Hungarians closest genetically - Bulgarian academics claim

[Dunai]

I don't know what new genetic data these researchers were talking about, but in modern days these two people are very distant to each other:

Distance to: Hungarian
16.21249518 Bulgarian

[Anaximander]

This video couldnt agree more....

[Universe]

copium

[Blondie]

Rather can be said in the form of "Old Bulgars were Oghurs who left the Hunnic confederation, old Magyars were mixed Oghurs and Uralic speakers with later significant contribution of Pechenegs and Cumans." The Germanic shift occurred because they mixed with Germanic people in Hungary, in their essence they didn't have that shift.

Wrong, old magyars had very significant germanic genetic before the entering of Carpathian Basin:

We found that some 40% of the conquerors had East Asian origin, where the geographic origin of the best matching samples nicely corresponded to the region of the ancient Xiongnu empire. Other 40% of the samples had best matches with modern people from Scandinavia, 6 Germany, or other regions in Western Europe. A smaller third group of the samples (6.7%) matched modern samples from the Caucasus region and the Near East.

According to our data half of the conqueror population had Xiongnu origin, corroborating the statement of medieval Hungarian chronicles, which all declare Hunnic origin of the Hungarians. The conquerors with Scandinavian-German genetic affinity had most probably Ostrogothic origin, as this group was reported to have been integrated into the European Hun Empire hundreds of years before the conquest. Interestingly this European component also support the Hun affinity of the Hungarian conquerors

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/id/e...is_english.pdf

[Kaspias]

Wrong, old magyars had very significant germanic genetic before the entering of Carpathian Basin:





http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/id/e...is_english.pdf

Samples from the conqueror era =/= conquerors themselves. Ostrogoths are not Proto Magyars, neither Huns, that's the point.

[Dunai]

Samples from the conqueror era =/= conquerors themselves. Ostrogoths are not Proto Magyars, neither Huns, that's the point.

These are samples from conqueror graves, not the commoner population and it's a genetic fact that their mtDNA was significantly North Germanic.

[Turul Karom]

In my opinion, nothing. I was just wondering what you thought of it as a Turanist Hungarian. Eurasianism is a pretty farfetched ideology but there are at least a few convincing arguments for it regardless (e.g., cultural influence from Central Asia). By the way, I do not know too much about neo-Eurasianism/Duginism but I think it's something that can actually gain traction in regions like Central Asia with the West's inevitable demise. China and Turkey are just not one of those regions, and that's troublesome for a Eurasianist.

Eurasianism in Dugin's context seems just like another form of Russian Imperialism. The Central Asian peoples have been on the back foot since the Great Game in the 1800s (rapid conquest and colonization of Central Asia by the centralized ethnic-nationalists) and have little to do with influencing Russia's current ambitions. I think the word "Eurasian" is just used as a thin cover of paint to disguise it because Russia is majorly in Asia geographically and this gives justification for their continued borders stretching through Central Asia and Siberia.

Central Asia will get nothing after the fall of the West if it's still dominated by Russia and China. I think that Turkey will be facing its own problems that take it out of the running for any global superpower, too.

[Blondie]

Samples from the conqueror era =/= conquerors themselves. Ostrogoths are not Proto Magyars, neither Huns, that's the point.

Thanks to prove that you know nothing about magyar conquerors. I have never said that ostrogoths are proto-magyars, but nomad magyars mixed with them a lot, just like almost every steppe nomad population was mixed and multiethnic, these were tribal confederations between various tribes. Nomad magyars originated from huns, and european huns were partly (or mostly) germanic, ostrogothic, only the ruler elite was turkic. The conqueror hungarians who lived in present day Ukraine were germano-turkic mixed. Obviously they assimilated tons of varangians (viking remains) too.

[Kaspias]

Thanks to prove that you know nothing about magyar conquerors. I have never said that ostrogoths are proto-magyars, but nomad magyars mixed with them a lot, just like almost every steppe nomad population was mixed and multiethnic, these were tribal confederations between various tribes. Nomad magyars originated from huns, and european huns were partly (or mostly) germanic, ostrogothic, only the ruler elite was turkic. The conqueror hungarians who lived in present day Ukraine were germano-turkic mixed. Obviously they assimilated tons of varangians (viking remains) too.

You're welcome. What I'm pointing out is not nuclear science though, better stop twisting words to put Germanics forward before spending more time for the discussion, it's for your own good.

And this makes conquerors Germanic shifted because they mixed with Germanics in the region they arrived? Was Xiongnu also Germanic shifted because Attila's Huns mixed with the Germans? We are talking about the origin of them, which is an Uralo-Turkic confederation for Magyars, and they as a whole had no Germanic shift whatsoever before they start mixing.

These are samples from conqueror graves, not the commoner population and it's a genetic fact that their mtDNA was significantly North Germanic.

mtDNA's can't be labeled with a certain modern ethnic group, one can only guess the possible source of origin it -just like mine K1a is supposedly from Thracians but were also present in anywhere from Spain to China at the same time- In the context of Steppe, you can't limit it with "North Germanic" label. Nevertheless, the conqueror samples you are pointing out are already mixed communities.

[Blondie]

You're welcome. What I'm pointing out is not nuclear science though, better stop twisting words to put Germanics forward before spending more time for the discussion, it's for your own good.

And this makes conquerors Germanic shifted because they mixed with Germanics in the region they arrived? Was Xiongnu also Germanic shifted because Attila's Huns mixed with the Germans? We are talking about the origin of them, which is an Uralo-Turkic confederation for Magyars, and they as a whole had no Germanic shift whatsoever before they start mixing.

It seems you didn't understand what i said. I have talked about conquerors, not proto-magyars. Secondly who are proto-magyars according to you? The elite or the commoners? What time period and what place? I can help you again: the birth place and genetic of proto-magyars are totally unknown. The original home of conquerors was not the Ural for sure, because their genetic origin was more eastern connected to Altay and East Asia: