Africans in Ulcinj

[rothaer]

History always surprises.
Until few years ago for example i did not know that between 200 and 300 German families from Mainz settled to Belgrade after the 1718 when Austrians conquered part of Serbia south of Sava and Danube rivers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdo...ia_(1718-1739)). In 1739. when Ottomans again took Belgrade all Germans moved to present day South Banat District and lived there until 1945-50 together with other Germans who settled to Banat directly from southern, southwestern and central Germany during the 18th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Banat_District
Why vast majority of German colonists to Pannonian plain in 18th century were from present day Germany (mostly southern) and very little from Austria? Germany was poorer than Austria or what?

They likely had a surplus of population at that time.

Btw. here is a genealogical so called Ortsfamilienbuch for Werschetz = Vršac containing 70,500 (!) individuals. I think it's the catholic church records that are evaluated there. You can check family names. Also, if you check (German) individuals, you can partly see from where they come.

https://www.online-ofb.de/famlist.ph...tz&b=A&lang=de

[Hektor12]

In Ulcinj in Ottoman time except Berbers and blacks were present Sephardic Jews.

Lucky that it was Ottomans. If it was *W*H*I*T*E* British, there would be 1.000.000 times more jews and blacks.

[vbnetkhio]

Dritan Abazović is Albanian from Ulcinj and look black influenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dritan_Abazović

Just read about this community recently.
here is a picture proven descendnats of the community, the man on the left is one of them, and his son or grandson is on the right.

[Varda]

They likely had a surplus of population at that time.

Btw. here is a genealogical so called Ortsfamilienbuch for Werschetz = Vršac containing 70,500 (!) individuals. I think it's the catholic church records that are evaluated there. You can check family names. Also, if you check (German) individuals, you can partly see from where they come.

https://www.online-ofb.de/famlist.ph...tz&b=A&lang=de

Interesting. Thanks!

My grandfather in 1970s in Chicago met a German from Ruma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruma) who moved to Germany after WW2 and little later migrated to USA. He said many natives in Germany did not like Germans who came from central and eastern Europe after war, and they considered them for some kind of traitors.

[TheMaestro]

Ulcinj Montenegrins are all asimilated Albanians same goes with Bar. I have family in there and Ive never seen black people, would like to see them, lol.
Albin Kurti prime minister of Kosovo is from that area, all his family members changed their surnames to Kurtovic, what a bunch of semen waste.

[Varda]

Ulcinj Montenegrins are all asimilated Albanians same goes with Bar. I have family in there and Ive never seen black people, would like to see them, lol.
Albin Kurti prime minister of Kosovo is from that area, all his family members changed their surnames to Kurtovic, what a bunch of semen waste.

Evidences?

[TheMaestro]

Evidences?

Just go visit them and ask them, they dont deserve to call themself Albanians anymore, many of them are regrets. Many of them so called Montenegrins after half an hour of talking will start to admit their grandparents or parents spoke fluent Albanians and were Albanians. As I said complete regrets, they could claim themself being Serbs wouldnt care less. And you are even surprised why there are even all those Albos with IC ending. Two Albos in the thread were name and both of them have Serbized names, Kurtovic /Abazovic - Kurti - Abazi

[Italicus]

Lucky that it was Ottomans. If it was *W*H*I*T*E* British, there would be 1.000.000 times more jews and blacks.

Britain never sent blacks to Gibraltar, Malta or Cyprus. None at all. The New World is a whole other kettle of fish.

[Varda]

Just go visit them and ask them, they dont deserve to call themself Albanians anymore, many of them are regrets. Many of them so called Montenegrins after half an hour of talking will start to admit their grandparents or parents spoke fluent Albanians and were Albanians. As I said complete regrets, they could claim themself being Serbs wouldnt care less. And you are even surprised why there are even all those Albos with IC ending. Two Albos in the thread were name and both of them have Serbized names, Kurtovic /Abazovic - Kurti - Abazi

Without conversion of Albanians to Orthodoxy there is no real montenegrization or serbization. They can be only Montenegrins as citizens of Montenegro. Albanians from Ulcinj and Bar are Muslims and Catholics, i never heard for their conversion to Orthodoxy.
Dritan changed his surname from Abazi to Abazović for the some political reasons. He is still Albanian.

[TheMaestro]

Without conversion of Albanians to Orthodoxy there is no real montenegrization or serbization. They can be only Montenegrins as citizens of Montenegro. Albanians from Ulcinj and Bar are Muslims and Catholics, i never heard for their conversion to Orthodoxy.
Dritan changed his surname from Abazi to Abazović for the some political reasons. He is still Albanian.

False, they claim to be Montenegrin and they can be agnostic or not even be believers, don't throw into this region again nonsense religion.