Impaler's father results

[Impaler]

I have been always confused about my results. After all calculators and his autosomal results I found that he is part Roma (he doesn't know a clue about it). According to his Y-DNA subclade J-Y18402, his paternal side was definitely Roma, mostly Rudar (Boyash). They are the most assimilated tribe, they don't speak Romani neither have any Romani tradition. I think this is the most plausible explanation, that's why no one knows about it, they probably identified as Romanians.

I am not sure if he has other recent West Asian ancestry, he is definitely an outlier.

Feel free to ask questions about calculators, results etc. Maybe we can figure out more.

[TheMaestro]

Romanian getting magyar POV

[Mr.G]

Would love to see K13 and K15 components, if you get them.

[Impaler]

Eurogenes K13:

Population
North_Atlantic 18.46 Pct
Baltic 16.26 Pct
West_Med 12.76 Pct
West_Asian 17.83 Pct
East_Med 19.82 Pct
Red_Sea 1.08 Pct
South_Asian 9.95 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.00 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.47 Pct
Northeast_African 0.38 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 12.92
2 Bulgarian 13.79
3 Romanian 14.59
4 Italian_Abruzzo 15.5
5 Central_Greek 15.58
6 East_Sicilian 16.65
7 Serbian 17.85
8 West_Sicilian 17.89
9 Ashkenazi 18.42
10 Tuscan 18.8
11 South_Italian 18.83
12 Turkish 20.8
13 Moldavian 21.37
14 North_Italian 21.45
15 Azeri 23.27
16 Turkmen 23.4
17 Sephardic_Jewish 23.47
18 Hungarian 24.03
19 Kumyk 24.25
20 Italian_Jewish 24.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Greek_Thessaly + 28.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.58
2 76.7% Greek_Thessaly + 23.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.62
3 75.8% Greek_Thessaly + 24.2% Pathan @ 4.68
4 76.3% Greek_Thessaly + 23.7% Kalash @ 4.69
5 76.5% Greek_Thessaly + 23.5% Burusho @ 4.84
6 77.4% Bulgarian + 22.6% Sindhi @ 5.16
7 78.8% Greek_Thessaly + 21.2% Sindhi @ 5.28
8 68% Greek_Thessaly + 32% Tadjik @ 5.29
9 75% Bulgarian + 25% Pathan @ 5.79
10 76% Bulgarian + 24% Makrani @ 5.85

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +25% Hungarian +25% Kalash @ 3.229331


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Pathan + South_Polish @ 3.049299
2 Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + Pathan + Serbian @ 3.056844
3 Italian_Jewish + Pathan + Romanian + Serbian @ 3.062772


Eurogenes K15:

Eurogenes K15:

Population
North_Sea 9.86 Pct
Atlantic 14.13 Pct
Baltic 11.61 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.37 Pct
West_Med 8.07 Pct
West_Asian 17.13 Pct
East_Med 17.45 Pct
Red_Sea 1.30 Pct
South_Asian 9.96 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.42 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.42 Pct
Northeast_African 0.29 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

ingle Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 12.69
2 Romanian 13.5
3 Greek 13.52
4 Greek_Thessaly 13.98
5 Ashkenazi 15.39
6 Italian_Abruzzo 15.43
7 Central_Greek 15.7
8 Serbian 16.53
9 East_Sicilian 16.59
10 West_Sicilian 17.72
11 Tuscan 17.98
12 South_Italian 18.35
13 Turkish 19.22
14 Turkmen 19.39
15 Moldavian 19.45
16 Azeri 21.02
17 North_Italian 21.11
18 Austrian 21.43
19 Croatian 21.53
20 Tadjik 21.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% Bulgarian + 29.5% Makrani @ 4.09
2 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% Brahui @ 4.3
3 71.4% Bulgarian + 28.6% Balochi @ 4.46
4 69.4% Romanian + 30.6% Makrani @ 4.87
5 67.9% Greek + 32.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.35
6 71% Romanian + 29% Brahui @ 5.36
7 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Sindhi @ 5.41
8 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.56
9 70.5% Romanian + 29.5% Balochi @ 5.57
10 73.9% Greek + 26.1% Pathan


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Brahui +25% Cyprian @ 4.382161


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + Lithuanian + Makrani + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.600881
2 Brahui + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.628384
3 Brahui + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.634714

[Leto]

I commend you for posting this, there is nothing wrong with your father and I am one of the biggest proponents of Roma assimilation.
He seems a bit less than half Romani by the looks of it. At least if we go by the averages we have. They range from 20 to 30% South Asian on K13 but the average is around 25% or so. And it's ca. 50% Caucasoid in reality.

[Insuperable]

What does your grandparent look like?

[Impaler]

What does your grandparent look like?

I don't have a pic but as far as I remember he looked very West Asian.

[Leto]

Add his Dodecad K12b and HarappaWorld please.

[Impaler]

Add his Dodecad K12b and HarappaWorld please.

+puntDNAL K13

HarappaWorld:

S-Indian 7.61 Pct
Baloch 14.16 Pct
Caucasian 25.04 Pct
NE-Euro 24.86 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian 1.83 Pct
NE-Asian -
Papuan 1.3 Pct
American -
Beringian -
Mediterranean 18.62 Pct
SW-Asian 6.47 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy 0.11 Pct
W-African -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 14.74
2 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 15.22
3 ashkenazi (harappa) 16.16
4 romanian-b (behar) 16.81
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 16.91
6 tuscan (hgdp) 17.09
7 tuscan (hapmap) 17.43
8 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 17.82
9 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 18.12
10 italian (hgdp) 21.02
11 stalskoe (xing) 23.46
12 nogai (yunusbayev) 23.61
13 sephardic-jew (behar) 23.63
14 turkmen (yunusbayev) 24.21
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 24.34
16 morocco-jew (behar) 24.42
17 tajik (yunusbayev) 24.76
18 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 25.75
19 hungarian (behar) 26.26
20 turkish (harappa) 26.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.9% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 3.78
2 72.3% romanian-a (behar) + 27.7% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.09
3 71.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 28.3% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.3
4 75.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 24.8% sindhi (hgdp) @ 4.4
5 73.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.9% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 4.46
6 72.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 27.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 4.47
7 74.8% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 25.2% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 4.5
8 67.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 32.7% pashtun (harappa) @ 4.52
9 72.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 27.7% kashmiri (harappa) @ 4.56
10 74.1% romanian-a (behar) + 25.9% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 4.65
11 74% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26% punjabi (harappa) @ 4.68
12 68.2% romanian-a (behar) + 31.8% pashtun (harappa) @ 4

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% bulgarian_yunusbayev +25% haryana-jatt_harappa +25% sephardic-jew_behar @ 2.264500


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 cypriot_behar + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + tuscan_hapmap + ukranian_yunusbayev @ 1.663487
2 ashkenazy-jew_behar + bulgarian_yunusbayev + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + romanian-a_behar @ 1.765800
3 ashkenazy-jew_behar + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + romanian-a_behar + romanian-a_behar @ 1.776576
4 bulgarian_yunusbayev + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + sephardic-jew_behar + serbian_harappa @ 1.803568
5 ashkenazy-jew_behar + bulgarian_yunusbayev + punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa + romanian-a_behar @ 1.805076
6 cypriot_behar + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + tuscan_hgdp + ukranian_yunusbayev @ 1.813114
7 ashkenazy-jew_behar + bulgarian_yunusbayev + bulgarian_yunusbayev + punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 1.821440
8 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + romanian-a_behar + sephardic-jew_behar + serbian_harappa @ 1.846900
9 cypriot_behar + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + tuscan_1000genomes + ukranian_yunusbayev @ 1.954029
10 ashkenazi_harappa + bulgarian_yunusbayev + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa + romanian-a_behar @ 1.963436


Dodecad K12b:

Population
Gedrosia 13.85 Pct
Siberian 1.40 Pct
Northwest_African 0.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 20.88 Pct
North_European 24.29 Pct
South_Asian 7.79 Pct
East_African 0.84 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.46 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 23.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.13


Target: Father_K12b
Distance: 1.6157% / 1.61569082 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.8 Moldovan_Gagauz
26.2 Balkan_Gypsy
19.6 Pamiri_Rushan
16.4 Italian_Piedmont

puntDNAL K13:

opulation
West_Asia 25.03 Pct
NE_Europe 25.75 Pct
Americas 0.33 Pct
Siberia 3.12 Pct
Oceania 2.09 Pct
South_Asia 8.21 Pct
NE_Asia -
East_Africa 0.15 Pct
SE_Asia 0.06 Pct
SW_Europe 25.82 Pct
SW_Asia 8.58 Pct
West_Africa 0.23 Pct
South_Africa 0.62 Pc


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 31.18
2 Mediterranean 26.71
3 Caucasian 23.6
4 S_Indian 6.3
5 SW_Asian 4.72
6 Siberian 2.84
7 Oceanian 1.91
8 Omo_River 0.94
9 Beringian 0.9
10 S_African 0.68
11 Horn_Of_Africa 0.19
12 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 11.11
2 Greek_Thessaly 11.18
3 Bosnian 13.73
4 Bulgarian 13.79
5 Albanian 13.95
6 Macedonian 14
7 Montenegrin 14.32
8 Tuscan 14.44
9 Romanian 14.48
10 Italian 15.61
11 Ashkenazy_Jew 17.94
12 Serbian 18.28
13 Sicilian 19.56
14 Brazilian 21.01
15 Sephardic_Jew 21.02
16 Croatian 22.47
17 French 22.83
18 Portuguese 23.06
19 Spaniard 23.7
20 Romani 23.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% Pashtun @ 3.09
2 66.7% Romanian + 33.3% Pashtun @ 3.33
3 67% Montenegrin + 33% Pashtun @ 3.44
4 67.6% Macedonian + 32.4% Pashtun @ 3.67
5 64.8% Montenegrin + 35.2% Tadjik @ 3.8
6 65.8% Bulgarian + 34.2% Tadjik @ 3.88
7 77.2% Bulgarian + 22.8% Balochi @ 3.9
8 62.7% Italian + 37.3% Tadjik @ 3.91
9 77.8% Bulgarian + 22.2% Brahui @ 4.04
10 52.1% Spaniard + 47.9% Tadjik @ 4.05


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Finnish + Chechen + Sardinian + Pashtun @ 2.508218
2 Mordovian + Chechen + Sardinian + Pashtun @ 2.581949
3 Russian + Italian + Romani + Turk_Istanbul @ 2.680674
4 Russian + Basque + Pashtun + Assyrian @ 2.693573
5 Karelian + Macedonian + Romani + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.712628
6 Russian + Chechen + Sardinian + Pashtun @ 2.713487
7 Karelian + Basque + Pashtun + Assyrian @ 2.715482
8 Mordovian + Basque + Pashtun + Armenian @ 2.736030
9 Mordovian + Basque + Pashtun + Azerbaijani @ 2.743771
10 Finnish + Macedonian + Romani + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.765021

[Impaler]

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