Impaler's father results

[Impaler]

But even he don't know before about his Gypsy ancestry.

Because it was very assimilated. Rudars/Boyash don't consider themselves Gypsies. They speak no Romani, neither have any tradition.

You can see here:

[Impaler]

Here another example of Boyash with the same Y-DNA subclade. So the Caucasian ancestry is not random but real. As you can see he has region in Adygea.

He is my cousin on 23andMe and GEDmatch.

[Leto]

What does he score on Gedmatch?

[JosephK]

Because it was very assimilated. Rudars/Boyash don't consider themselves Gypsies. They speak no Romani, neither have any tradition.

You can see here:

That may explain why Impaler didn't match with a lot of "Roma" on GEDMatch back when I ran his results...

[Impaler]

What does he score on Gedmatch?

Which calculator?

[Leto]

Which calculator?

Just the most useful ones - K13 and K12b

[Leto]

Which calculator?

Just the most useful ones - K13 and K12b

[Impaler]

Just the most useful ones - K13 and K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 27.16
2 East_Med 19.15
3 West_Asian 18.5
4 West_Med 12.25
5 Baltic 12.05
6 North_Atlantic 6.76
7 East_Asian 2.23
8 Oceanian 1.51
9 Amerindian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Tadjik 23.69
2 Tadjik 24.35
3 Turkmen 24.37
4 Afghan_Pashtun 24.51
5 Pathan 25.88
6 Azeri 26.1
7 Turkish 26.32
8 Iranian 27.65
9 Punjabi_Jat 27.94
10 Burusho 28.11
11 Greek_Thessaly 28.15
12 Central_Greek 28.75
13 East_Sicilian 29.01
14 Kurdish 29.19
15 Kumyk 29.44
16 Ashkenazi 29.83
17 Kalash 29.85
18 Italian_Abruzzo 30.03
19 South_Italian 30.08
20 Bulgarian 30.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% Central_Greek + 40.8% Kanjar @ 6.22
2 54.1% Ashkenazi + 45.9% Gujarati @ 6.3
3 54% Ashkenazi + 46% Kshatriya @ 6.38
4 55% Central_Greek + 45% Kshatriya @ 6.49
5 58.4% Central_Greek + 41.6% Dharkar @ 6.51
6 61.3% Greek_Thessaly + 38.7% Velamas @ 6.52
7 61.7% Central_Greek + 38.3% North_Kannadi @ 6.68
8 55.2% Central_Greek + 44.8% Bangladeshi @ 6.77
9 52.1% Ashkenazi + 47.9% Brahmin_UP @ 6.84
10 55.1% Central_Greek + 44.9% Gujarati @ 6.89
11 60.8% Central_Greek + 39.2% Velamas @ 6.92
12 54.8% East_Sicilian + 45.2% Kshatriya @ 6.94
13 59.1% East_Sicilian + 40.9% Kanjar @ 7.1
14 61.5% Central_Greek + 38.5% Dusadh @ 7.16
15 59% Greek_Thessaly + 41% Dharkar @ 7.18
16 54.9% East_Sicilian + 45.1% Gujarati @ 7.19
17 61% Central_Greek + 39% Kol @ 7.19
18 61.9% Greek_Thessaly + 38.1% Kurumba @ 7.2
19 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% Kanjar @ 7.23
20 55.6% Greek_Thessaly + 44.4% Kshatriya @ 7.24


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 24.38
2 South_Asian 21.96
3 North_European 17.51
4 Gedrosia 15.64
5 Atlantic_Med 12.65
6 Southwest_Asian 5.18
7 Southeast_Asian 1.27
8 East_Asian 0.88
9 Northwest_African 0.28
10 East_African 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 24.36
2 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 24.4
3 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 25.87
4 Iranian (Dodecad) 29.28
5 Iranians (Behar) 29.42
6 Turkish (Dodecad) 29.63
7 Turks (Behar) 29.9
8 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 30.15
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 30.22
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.43
11 Greek (Dodecad) 30.5
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 30.53
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 30.55
14 Romanians (Behar) 30.69
15 Pathan (HGDP) 30.89
16 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 31.01
17 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 31.07
18 Kurd (Dodecad) 31.14
19 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 31.58
20 Sicilian (Dodecad) 31.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.8% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) + 44.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.96
2 56.7% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) + 43.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.24
3 55.7% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) + 44.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.3
4 53% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 47% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 5.19
5 54.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 45.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 5.2
6 59.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 40.8% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 5.31
7 60.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 39.2% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 5.33
8 54.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 45.9% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 5.34
9 60.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 39.6% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 5.35
10 56.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 43.1% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 5.43
11 59.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 40.5% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 5.69
12 60.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 39.6% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 5.87
13 54.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 45.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 5.89
14 60.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 39.3% INS30 (SGVP) @ 5.9
15 60.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 39.2% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 6.1
16 62.4% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) + 37.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 6.12
17 58.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 41.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 6.21
18 57.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 42.3% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 6.24
19 54% Romanians (Behar) + 46% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 6.27
20 53.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 46.2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 6.36


Ion_K13,6.76,12.05,12.25,18.5,19.15,0,27.16,2.23,0 ,0.37,1.51,0,0
Ion_K12b,15.64,0,0.28,1.27,12.65,17.51,21.96,0.25, 5.18,0.88,24.38,0

[Leto]

Ion_K13,6.76,12.05,12.25,18.5,19.15,0,27.16,2.23,0 ,0.37,1.51,0,0
Ion_K12b,15.64,0,0.28,1.27,12.65,17.51,21.96,0.25, 5.18,0.88,24.38,0

This person is very Romani, 27/22 percent South Asian is a lot!

Target: Ion_K13
Distance: 2.7625% / 2.76247396
37.4 Greek_Northern_Thrace
31.4 Kannada_North
17.7 Greek_Caucasus
5.1 Ho
4.4 Turkish_East-Black_Sea
3.1 Cypriot_Greek
0.9 Latvian

Target: Ion_K12b
Distance: 1.7370% / 1.73699320 | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.0 Balkan_Gypsy
15.0 Dargin_Kaitag
7.5 Moldovan_Central
7.3 Santhal
4.2 Haryana_Ror

Truly they are a three way (Indian-West Asian-Balkan) mix.

[Guti]

Dodecad K12b:

Population
Gedrosia 13.85 Pct
Siberian 1.40 Pct
Northwest_African 0.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 20.88 Pct
North_European 24.29 Pct
South_Asian 7.79 Pct
East_African 0.84 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.46 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 23.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.13


Target: Father_K12b
Distance: 1.6157% / 1.61569082 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.8 Moldovan_Gagauz
26.2 Balkan_Gypsy
19.6 Pamiri_Rushan
16.4 Italian_Piedmont

Roma are mixed people so it is almost impossible to trace all their non-Roma ancestors. Because Roma people can have ancestors from every country they resided.

You dad has by far less Roma ancestry than you think, maybe less than 25% Roma.


I see the Caucasus-component almost at the same level as an average in Romania. Furthermore I detect a notable increase of the Gedrosia-component compared to an average in Romania.

I don't have DNA result of Roma from Turkey or Iran right now, so I can't compare it with the results of your father. But as far as I know Roma people in West Asia have by far much less of the 'Gedrosia'-component compared to their Iranic neighbours.
Gedrosia-component in your dad is relatively high (compared to average Romanian and Roma in Turkey/West Asa), if we assume that your dad is less than 25% Roma than we can be conclude that he has more Middle Eastern (non-Roma) ancestry from Central Iran and not from Turkey. If most of his Roma ancestors were from Turkey and not Iran, then he would have more of the Caucasus-component than the Gedrosia-Component.

Caucasian admixture


Gedrosian admixture


https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autos...l#Dodecad_K12b