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    Quote Originally Posted by ANXIETY (ADEPT) View Post
    There were many more Balkan people to mix with than just Vlachs smh
    In medieval Serbia, including Kosovo-Metohija of course, pre-Slavic population were only Vlachs, that we incorporate into society and nation.

    There were no Albanians, who settled in Serbian soil with Ottomans.

    The Slavs, settling the Balkans in the 6th and 7th centuries, absorbed the Romanized populations over the centuries.

    With time, ties between the Slavs and Romans of the Balkans became more tighter, the larger numbered Slavs absorbing the largest part of the Roman population in the Western Balkans.
    The Vlach shepherds completely mixed with the Serbs, a result of the predominant pastoralist society and Christianity.

    The medieval Vlachs in the Balkans had hybrid names, evidenting intermarriage with the Slavs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_in_medieval_Serbia

    This is clearly seen in our autosomal genetics.
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    Vlachs Aromanians had very prosperous center Moscopole, in today's southern Albania.

    This city was destroyed by Albanians.
    Moscopole Vlachs took refuge in Thessaly and Macedonia.


    Moscopole (Albanian: Voskopojë; Aromanian: Moscopole, Moscopoli, Muscopuli or Voscopole; Greek: Μοσχόπολη or Βοσκόπολη; Turkish: İskopol or Oskopol[1]) is a village in Korçë County in southeastern Albania. During the 18th century, it was the cultural and commercial center of the Aromanians.[2] At its peak, in the mid 18th century, it hosted the first printing press in the Ottoman Balkans outside Istanbul, educational institutions and numerous churches[3] and became a leading center of Greek culture.[4][5]

    Historians have attributed the decline of the city to a series of raids by Muslim Albanian bandits.[6][7] Moscopole was initially attacked and almost destroyed by those groups in 1769 following the participation of the residents in the preparations for a Greek revolt supported by the Russian Empire.

    The 1769 sacking and pillaging by Muslim Albanian[21] troops was just the first of a series of attacks to the city. Moscopole was attacked due to the participation of the residents in the preparations for a Greek revolt supported by the Russian Empire known as the Orlov Revolt.[8] Its destruction culminated with the razing of 1788 by the troops of Ali Pasha of Ioannina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANXIETY (ADEPT) View Post
    Every tribe has their allies. The clock is ticking and the longer you wait, the harder it will be for you. Good luck in your endeavors.
    We will see who's clock is ticking...

    Who would ever thought that Americans will withdraw from Afghanistan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Of course there was medieval Serbian Orthodox church, since this area was integral part of Serbian state, and Prizren was the capital of Serbia during emperor Dušan's rule.

    Your paternal line is proto-Slavic origin, most likely of some albanized and islamized Serbs during Ottoman ocupation.
    It's funny because the map you posted of Principality of Arbanon shows Kosovo was not Serbian back then or had not been fully conquered but under Bulgarian rule




    Serb expansion there did not fully begin until the 13th century after the Byzantine and Bulgarian Empire was weakened. This was right after the Principality of Arbanon or so.

    Despotate of Epirus also contained an Albanian population despite it was ruled by Greeks and was not part of Arbanon. The dialect split occurred roughly around 400-600 AD. Epirus later became ruled by Albanians. As was Western Macedonia.


    Serb expansion into Serbia and Kosovo did not begin until the 13th century.

    As for churches, those churches were mainly built during that period and were restored during the Ottoman period, there were churches from other people too that were destroyed and cultures, there are Roman heritage there and archaeological sites that go back to the iron age, bronze age and neolithic that have nothing to do with Serbs.


    It's funny how you refer to some medieval empire that collapsed in the 15th century (and became an Ottoman vassal betraying European anti-Ottoman alliance too) as ''integral part'' of your country. When you received Ottoman independence Nish and Kosovo were not even part of your country. You merely occupied Kosovo after an Albanian revolt in 1912.

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    Prizren in Kosovo was mentioned by Bulgarians already in 11th century , the name most likely comes from the Prizren fortress which dates back to at least the Roman period. It was also held by some Albanian principalities, Kastrioti and Dukagjini. Arbanon operated also right around there or close at it's maximum extent.

    Prizren Fortress





    Prizren has been traditionally identified with Theranda, a town of the Roman era.[3] Another location which may have been that of Theranda is present-day Suhareka Archaeological research has shown that the site of the fortress has passed several eras of habitation since prehistoric times. In its lower part, material from the upper part of the fort has been deposited over the centuries. It dates from the Bronze Age (c. 2000 BCE) to the late Iron Age (c. 1st century CE) and is comparable to the material found in the nearby prehistoric site in the village of Vlashnjë. In late antiquity, the fortification saw a phase of reconstruction. It is part of a series of forts that were built or reconstructed in the same period by Justinian along the White Drin in northern Albania and western Kosovo in the routes that linked the coastal areas with the Kosovo valley.[4] At this time, the Prizren fortress likely appears in historical record as Petrizen in the 6th century CE in the work of Procopius as one of the fortifications which Justinian commissioned to be reconstructed in Dardania.[5]

    Present-day Prizren is first mentioned in 1019 at the time of Basil II (r. 976–1025) in the form of Prisdriana

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