R1A in Balkans

[Hulu]

Lol biggest?

Rrenjet has 1300+ samples(not just ftdna)

They're also not run by a lying manipulative man child that tried stealing samples he didn't pay for. There's also the hate filled rhetoric that caused many members to leave.

Whatever floats your boat though.

Kush je ti?

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

LOL, what's the beef here??

[Dušan]

I can trace my paternal line up to 5 generations, all from a single village in Opoje, region. It is mountainous and high in elevation, meaning genetic isolation free from Turks and such. Also there are supposed old serb () church ruins underneath some of the villages from medieval times.

23andme gave me r-cts3402, which is a descendent of the r-z280 (balto-slavic branch of r1a) and peaks in Poland/Lithuania/Belarus, etc. It is ~4,000 years old. FTDNA's y-37 test didnt do much except give me r-m198 as my predicted haplo, of which r-cts3402 is a branch of, of course. Basically confirming i am r1a

I upgraded to y-67, but those results arent expected to come back until March... Any thoughts??

Of course there was medieval Serbian Orthodox church, since this area was integral part of Serbian state, and Prizren was the capital of Serbia during emperor Dušan's rule.

Your paternal line is proto-Slavic origin, most likely of some albanized and islamized Serbs during Ottoman ocupation.

[Nurzat]

it is almost sure for anyone that their male ancestry is not the one they know of in the last 2 centuries, because women so often have babies from other men. so, yes, scientifically you can be sure of your tested hg, but don't try to match that against a "family tree", family trees are useless and cannot be taken seriously

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

Of course there was medieval Serbian Orthodox church, since this area was integral part of Serbian state, and Prizren was the capital of Serbia during emperor Dušan's rule.

Your paternal line is proto-Slavic origin, most likely of some albanized and islamized Serbs during Ottoman ocupation.

D even if my haplogroup is Slavic, it probably was not so recent as a Serb in Ottoman times....

[ANXIETY (ADEPT)]

it is almost sure for anyone that their male ancestry is not the one they know of in the last 2 centuries, because women so often have babies from other men. so, yes, scientifically you can be sure of your tested hg, but don't try to match that against a "family tree", family trees are useless and cannot be taken seriously

Speak for yourself... I cant even trace back that far and my oldest known paternal ancestor is only my great-great-great grandpa. Compared to western euros, who starting writing documents much earlier, who can trace back to 1700's or something crazy like that. Regardless I doubt there was any adultery.

[MandM]

Speak for yourself... I cant even trace back that far and my oldest known paternal ancestor is only my great-great-great grandpa. Compared to western euros, who starting writing documents much earlier, who can trace back to 1700's or something crazy like that. Regardless I doubt there was any adultery.

On my fathers side i can trace back to about 1765 ish

[Nurzat]

Speak for yourself... I cant even trace back that far and my oldest known paternal ancestor is only my great-great-great grandpa. Compared to western euros, who starting writing documents much earlier, who can trace back to 1700's or something crazy like that. Regardless I doubt there was any adultery.

all studies on the matter prove that every few generations there is a change of male line (not necessarily an adultery, but probably most often so), so no one can base haplogroup on continued ancestry in a certain place or within a certain family. hg are good for populational studies and research, but for individuals it's quite nothing relevant. autosomal will say the more relevant percentage of various macro-components (like Farmer vs HG vs Steppe vs African vs Siberian vs Asian etc)

[Dušan]

D even if my haplogroup is Slavic, it probably was not so recent as a Serb in Ottoman times....

There were no other Slavs in the Opolje and Prizren area except Serbs.

[Varda]

D even if my haplogroup is Slavic, it probably was not so recent as a Serb in Ottoman times....

Opolje Albanians are mix of Albanian settlers from northern Albania in Ottoman time and islamized/albanized Serbs who lived there since middle age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opolje#Ottoman_era

First neighbors of Opolje Albanians are Gorani and Serbs of Sredačka župa. Ancestors of Gorani converted to Islam, but they preserved own Slavic/Serbian language and they are not albanized except they adopted Albanian forms of surnames. Serbs of Sredačka župa preserved both Orthodox religion and Serbian language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gora_(region)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sredačka_župa