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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    all studies on the matter prove that every few generations there is a change of male line (not necessarily an adultery, but probably most often so), so no one can base haplogroup on continued ancestry in a certain place or within a certain family. hg are good for populational studies and research, but for individuals it's quite nothing relevant. autosomal will say the more relevant percentage of various macro-components (like Farmer vs HG vs Steppe vs African vs Siberian vs Asian etc)
    You obviously have some sort of agenda based on a vested interest you possess... I have already posted my autosomal and didn't find anything particularly interesting. Except 12.5% Caucasus H&G

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Opolje Albanians are mix of Albanian settlers from northern Albania in Ottoman time and islamized/albanized Serbs who lived there since middle age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opolje#Ottoman_era

    First neighbors of Opolje Albanians are Gorani and Serbs of Sredačka župa. Ancestors of Gorani converted to Islam, but they preserved own Slavic/Serbian language and they are not albanized except they adopted Albanian forms of surnames. Serbs of Sredačka župa preserved both Orthodox religion and Serbian language.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gora_(region)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sredačka_župa
    What's to say the haplo is older than that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Of course there was medieval Serbian Orthodox church, since this area was integral part of Serbian state, and Prizren was the capital of Serbia during emperor Dušan's rule.

    Your paternal line is proto-Slavic origin, most likely of some albanized and islamized Serbs during Ottoman ocupation.
    And the problem with that is R1a is not the dominant haplo in Serbia proper. My specific clade is much more common in Poland, Belarus, Russia, etc. than anything, meaning it had to be from an older input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANXIETY (ADEPT) View Post
    And the problem with that is R1a is not the dominant haplo in Serbia proper. My specific clade is much more common in Poland, Belarus, Russia, etc. than anything, meaning it had to be from an older input.
    There are several Serbian flags down https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS3402/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    There are several Serbian flags down https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS3402/
    Okay, I am still waiting for my Y-67 results, but after looking at my STRs from the 37, I am most likely R1a-CTS1211>CTS3402>L366. I can show my STR markers here if you want.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L366/ No Serbs here, although there is one Bulgar, and 2 Turks who are seemingly random, but interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANXIETY (ADEPT) View Post
    And the problem with that is R1a is not the dominant haplo in Serbia proper. My specific clade is much more common in Poland, Belarus, Russia, etc. than anything, meaning it had to be from an older input.
    Since Slavs settled all across Balkans in 6-7th centuries in various amount, including Albania proper, there is also possibility that your origin is from somewhere in Albania, and later settled in Prizren area during Ottoman times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Since Slavs settled all across Balkans in 6-7th centuries in various amount, including Albania proper, there is also possibility that your origin is from somewhere in Albania, and later settled in Prizren area during Ottoman times.
    I really dislike getting into this, but you have to give up this Albanians "settling" there narrative. Albanians were always there as they were in all surrounding areas. Czar Dusan's army was comprised mostly with Kosovo Albanians when he invaded Greece. So he killed 2 birds with one stone, had a powerful army by having Albanians in it and got rid of a good chunk of Albanians by giving them lands in Greece as a reward. And this was before the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANXIETY (ADEPT) View Post
    And the problem with that is R1a is not the dominant haplo in Serbia proper. My specific clade is much more common in Poland, Belarus, Russia, etc. than anything, meaning it had to be from an older input.
    What? Of course it doesn't have to be (but it can). Your type of R1a is most common type of R1a among Serbs. For knowing what it is exactly except early Slavic you'll need a deeper test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANXIETY (ADEPT) View Post
    Okay, I am still waiting for my Y-67 results, but after looking at my STRs from the 37, I am most likely R1a-CTS1211>CTS3402>L366. I can show my STR markers here if you want.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L366/ No Serbs here, although there is one Bulgar, and 2 Turks who are seemingly random, but interesting.
    https://dnk.poreklo.rs/DNK-projekat/

    there are 7 Serbs with L366 in the project, geographically closest to you are 3 from Montenegro and one from Trgoviste at the Serbia/Macedonia border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulu View Post
    I really dislike getting into this, but you have to give up this Albanians "settling" there narrative. Albanians were always there as they were in all surrounding areas. Czar Dusan's army was comprised mostly with Kosovo Albanians when he invaded Greece. So he killed 2 birds with one stone, had a powerful army by having Albanians in it and got rid of a good chunk of Albanians by giving them lands in Greece as a reward. And this was before the Turks.
    Why should I give up of clear historical facts?
    Because you are uncomfortable of being settlers from Ottoman times?

    Even pro-Albanian and pro-Bosnian Muslim lobbyist Noel Malcolm admits this:


    According to Noel Malcolm, the Albanians that were forced and settled by the Ottomans were mainly the Catholic Kelmendi tribe from the mountains of Northern Albania that had rebelled and held raids against the Ottomans. As a result, the Ottomans forcibly settled them in the plains to control them better. Many of these families returned to Northern Albania while some stayed.

    Many Albanian Catholic families from the North Albanian mountains migrated after the 17th century into Kosovo and many of these families fled blood feuds or to find better land and make space for a bigger population, many of these families also converted to Islam in the Kosovo region.




    And by the way, there might have been some Albanians in Dušan's army, from Albania itself, not from Kosovo, since he controlled 90% of Albania.

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