R1A in Balkans

[Dušan]

Sorry to break it to you but they were Albanians. And you only mixed with a part of them. The rest remained Albanians. They didn't come from Caucasus or with Turks.

You can check and compare Serb pre-Slavic haplogroups and their subclades with Albanian ones.
Lot of them are even absent among Albanians.
J2b-M205 for example.

Obvously, pre-Slavic populations of Balkans was very diverse and heterogeneous.

Pre-Slavic population of modern Albania was different of those in Serbia, Serbian pre-Slavic population different than those in Croatia, Bulgaria etc.

[Varda]

You can check and compare Serb pre-Slavic haplogroups and their subclades with Albanian ones.
Lot of them are even absent among Albanians.
J2b-M205 for example.

Obvously, pre-Slavic populations of Balkans was very diverse and heterogeneous.

Pre-Slavic population of modern Albania was different of those in Serbia, Serbian pre-Slavic population different than those in Croatia, Bulgaria etc.

Serbian pre-Slavic Y dna is different than Albanian.

J2b-M205 is about 4% in Serbs on average, and almost 0% in Albanians. Originated mostly from serbified Vlach clan Kriči https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči

E-A18844 exist in Serbs and not in Albanians https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A18844/
This branch is from Mataruge clan, who were Albanians only in the fantasy of Albanian trolls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mataruge

Kuči, Vasojevići and Bjelovići clans from Montenegro are E-V13 (their E-V13 is significant part of total Serbian E-V13), but their versions of E-V13 are several thousand years distant from Albanian ones.

Piperi are R1b-FT49714 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT49714/) and they don't have matches among Albanians. They have further matches among Bulgarians and East Serbian Vlachs.
Albanian mythomans same as for Mataruge, Kuči, Bjelopavlići, Buzmati etc. claim Albanian origin of Piperi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperi_(tribe)

etc.

[Hulu]

What language did these "southern" people who lived there and neither Albanians nor other Europeans care to differentiate? There are no records of other people there other than vlachs who were never concentrated in one area. They were commonly called as Illyrians because of the common language. Despite the genetic differences some more northern and some more southern.
Either your southern source comes from avars and scythians or if it's local it's from Illyrians and common with Albanians.

[vbnetkhio]

Dardania/ Kosova was always inhabited by Illyrians. They considered themselves Illyrians and so did the rest of Europe. Justinian who was an Illyrian from that area considered himself Illyrian. Or Konstantine the Great. Vlachs were insignificant, and concentrated in a small area in Voskopoje, border with Greece and Macedonia. You know Vatican has the graves of all Illyrian popes together to respect their origins?

https://www.britannica.com/place/Illyria

You are wrong, the medieval documents from Serbia and Bosnia always mention Serbs and Vlachs as the local population. When the Serbian state started expanding into Macedonia and Albania, the documents start mentioning Albanians, Bulgarians, and also a lot of Vlachs.

this is where Vlachs live today . Not just in Voskopoje.


as you go back into history, they were even more widespread.

[GalenStark]

Serbian pre-Slavic Y dna is different than Albanian.

J2b-M205 is about 4% in Serbs on average, and almost 0% in Albanians. Originated mostly from serbified Vlach clan Kriči https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči

E-A18844 exist in Serbs and not in Albanians https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A18844/
This branch is from Mataruge clan, who were Albanians only in the fantasy of Albanian trolls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mataruge

Kuči, Vasojevići and Bjelovići clans from Montenegro are E-V13 (their E-V13 is significant part of total Serbian E-V13), but their versions of E-V13 are several thousand years distant from Albanian ones.

Piperi are R1b-FT49714 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT49714/) and they don't have matches among Albanians. They have further matches among Bulgarians and East Serbian Vlachs.
Albanian mythomans same as for Mataruge, Kuči, Bjelopavlići, Buzmati etc. claim Albanian origin of Piperi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperi_(tribe)

etc.

You do realize Piperi share matches with Albaniams 950 years ago right? Unless you're smoking something, that clade descends from a Proto-Albanian.

[Hulu]

You are wrong, the medieval documents from Serbia and Bosnia always mention Serbs and Vlachs as the local population. When the Serbian state started expanding into Macedonia and Albania, the documents start mentioning Albanians, Bulgarians, and also a lot of Vlachs.

this is where Vlachs live today . Not just in Voskopoje.


as you go back into history, they were even more widespread.

So everybody documented Dardanians to live there but Serbs documented Vlachs to live there. Sounds fishy to me.

Strabo in his geographica mentions them as one of the three strongest Illyrian peoples, the other two being the Ardiaei and Autariatae.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Dardania

[Jana]

From a historical point of view, it's possible, but genetics disprove this.
It seems the Vlachs in the western Balkans, including Kosovo, were mostly Romanized Thracians (E-V13). Only in Albania some Illyrian genetics (r1b-z2103 and j2b2-l283) survived, but it was heavily settled by Thracians too.

How do you explain western Balkan pre-Slavic matches better with Thracians (E-V13, autosomal) than Illyrians? I still wonder about this mystery.

[Varda]

How do you explain western Balkan pre-Slavic matches better with Thracians (E-V13, autosomal) than Illyrians? I still wonder about this mystery.

Maybe because Illyrians are replaced with some other population in Roman period.

[Hulu]

How do you explain western Balkan pre-Slavic matches better with Thracians (E-V13, autosomal) than Illyrians? I still wonder about this mystery.

It's not a mystery. It makes no sense.

[Jana]

Maybe because Illyrians are replaced with some other population in Roman period.

Romans resettled some Illyrian tribes after crushing their revolt. Maybe other Balkanites moved into their place?