My fathers results (Mardelli/Mhallami)

**Elias.99** · 01-26-2022, 11:16 PM

Originally from the city of Mardin but moved to Syria early 1900s. Tested with MyHeritage.

West Asian
88.3% Turkey (Diyarbakır and Mardin)
Middle Eastern
4.4%
Ashkenazi Jewish
4.1%
Irish, Scottish, and Welsh
3.2%

K13
North_Atlantic
4.78%
Baltic
4.99%
West Mediterranean
9.29%
West Asian
37.09%
East Mediterranean
30.26%
Red Sea
5.23%
South Asian
5.95%
East Asian
0.00%
Siberian
0.00%
Amerindian
1.29%
Oceanian
0.00%
Northeast African
0.23%
Sub-Saharan
0.90%

Population Distance
Kurdish
0.556521
Azeri
0.558169
Iranian
0.80391
Armenian
0.823431
Turkish
0.88891
Georgian_Jew
0.908076
Assyrian
1.216205
Iranian_Jew
1.557547

Target: Muhammad
Distance: 0.7599% / 0.75987026
33.2 Armenian
26.2 Assyrian
13.7 Tabassaran
9.3 Lebanese_Druze
5.3 Georgian
4.7 Balochi
2.0 Lithuanian
1.8 Makrani
1.5 Punjabi_Jat
1.0 Iranian
0.7 Karitiana
0.6 Yoruban

**Leto** · 01-26-2022, 11:45 PM

Cool. Can you post his Dodecad K12b? If he's not on Gedmatch, you can find it in Admixture Studio.

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 01-27-2022, 12:11 AM

Code:

Elias.99_father,4.78,4.99,9.29,37.09,30.26,5.23,5.95,0.00,0.00,1.29,0.00,0.23,0.90

Eurogenes K13 distances

Code:

Distance to:	Elias.99_father
2.88348747	Zaza
3.13293792	Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
3.87925251	Turkish_East
4.63553766	Ezid
4.71113574	Kurd_Sorani
5.01231483	Turkmen_Iraq
5.25232330	Azerbaijani_Iran
5.40908495	Turkish_Southeast
5.56224775	Kurd
5.57616356	Azerbaijani_Azerbaijan
5.88891331	Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.90346508	Kurd_Iran
6.47382422	Talysh
6.52923426	Armenian_East
7.19545690	Lur
7.23336022	Iran_GanjDareh_Historic
7.50811561	Armenian
8.03672819	Iranian
8.33838713	Turkish
8.96412851	Armenian_West
9.08361712	Jew_Georgia
9.15831589	Armenian_Hemsheni
9.75814019	Italy_Imperial_o5.SG
9.84774086	Iran_Hasanlu_IA.SG
9.99059433	Iran_HajjiFiruz_C_o

**Elias.99** · 01-27-2022, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Cool. Can you post his Dodecad K12b? If he's not on Gedmatch, you can find it in Admixture Studio.

Component %
Gedrosia 22,63%
Siberian 0,54%
Northwest_African 0,24%
Southeast_Asian 0,01%
Atlantic_Med 10,59%
North_European 7,32%
South_Asian 2,51%
East_African 1,05%
Southwest_Asian 14,66%
Caucasus 40,37%
Sub_Saharan 0,07%

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Mixed Mode:
1 78,52% Kurds_Y + 21,48% Ashkenazi_D @ 2,515
2 78,52% Kurds_Y + 21,48% S_Italian_Sicilian_D @ 2,529
3 78,52% Kurds_Y + 21,48% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2,556
4 76,95% Kurd_D + 23,05% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2,607
5 79,30% Kurds_Y + 20,70% Sicilian_D @ 2,632
6 77,73% Kurd_D + 22,27% Ashkenazi_D @ 2,651
7 76,95% Kurds_Y + 23,05% Sephardic_Jews @ 2,683
8 76,17% Iranian_D + 23,83% Ashkenazi_D @ 2,788
9 77,73% Kurd_D + 22,27% S_Italian_Sicilian_D @ 2,807
10 74,61% Iranian_D + 25,39% Sephardic_Jews @ 2,816

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Kurds_Y @ 7,588
2 100% Uzbekistan_Jews @ 8,073
3 100% Kurd_D @ 8,175
4 100% Iranian_D @ 8,661
5 100% Iranians @ 10,848
6 100% Turks @ 11,244
7 100% Turkish_D @ 13,099
8 100% Azerbaijan_Jews @ 14,577
9 100% Georgia_Jews @ 14,820
10 100% Assyrian_D @ 15,038

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Iranians + 50% Turkish_D @ 3,762
2 50% Iranians + 50% Turks @ 4,367
3 50% Kurd_D + 50% Turkish_D @ 5,404
4 50% Kurd_D + 50% Turks @ 5,607
5 50% Iranian_D + 50% Turkish_D @ 5,685
6 50% Uzbekistan_Jews + 50% Iranian_D @ 5,685
7 50% Kurds_Y + 50% Turkish_D @ 5,811
8 50% Kurds_Y + 50% Turks @ 5,848
9 50% Iranian_D + 50% Turks @ 5,865
10 50% Iranian_D + 50% Lebanese @ 5,887

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Iranian_D + 33% Iranians + 33% Cypriots @ 3,318
2 33% Iranians + 33% Iranians + 33% Cypriots @ 3,393
3 33% Kurd_D + 33% Iranians + 33% Cypriots @ 3,603
4 33% Kurd_D + 33% Iranians + 33% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 3,779
5 33% Iranian_D + 33% Iranian_D + 33% Sephardic_Jews @ 3,816
6 33% Iranian_D + 33% Iranians + 33% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 3,846
7 33% Kurd_D + 33% Iranian_D + 33% Sephardic_Jews @ 3,997
8 33% Iranian_D + 33% Iranian_D + 33% Cypriots @ 4,072
9 33% Iranian_D + 33% Iranians + 33% Ashkenazi_D @ 4,105
10 33% Kurd_D + 33% Iranian_D + 33% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 4,118

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Kurd_D + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Iranians + 25% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2,487
2 25% Kurd_D + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Iranian_D + 25% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2,518
3 25% Kurd_D + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Iranian_D + 25% Ashkenazi_D @ 2,555
4 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2,558
5 25% Kurd_D + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Iranians + 25% Ashkenazi_D @ 2,616
6 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Ashkenazi_D @ 2,647
7 25% Kurd_D + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Kurd_D + 25% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2,672
8 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurd_D + 25% S_Italian_Sicilian_D @ 2,712
9 25% Iranian_D + 25% Iranian_D + 25% Iranians + 25% Ashkenazi_D @ 2,749
10 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Kurds_Y + 25% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2,757

**Elias.99** · 01-27-2022, 04:51 PM

Harappaworld

Component %
S-Indian 2,69%
Baloch 21,62%
Caucasian 42,87%
NE-Euro 7,79%
SE-Asian 0,02%
American 0,97%
Beringian 0,50%
Mediterranean 8,49%
SW-Asian 14,47%
San 0,25%
E-African 0,21%
Pygmy 0,04%
W-African 0,07%

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1.5 07/02/2020

Finished reading population data. 407 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Mixed Mode:
1 71,48% georgia-jew + 28,52% pamiri-rushan @ 2,490
2 79,30% kurd3 + 20,70% ashkenazy-jew @ 2,495
3 73,83% assyrian + 26,17% pamiri-rushan @ 2,536
4 80,86% kurd3 + 19,14% ashkenazi @ 2,574
5 80,86% uzbekistan-jew + 19,14% yaghnobi @ 2,596
6 71,48% georgia-jew + 28,52% pamiri-shughnan @ 2,724
7 84,77% uzbekistan-jew + 15,23% pamiri-rushan @ 2,750
8 72,27% georgia-jew + 27,73% pamiri-ishkashim @ 2,816
9 79,30% kurd3 + 20,70% sephardic-jew @ 2,826
10 77,73% kurd2 + 22,27% ashkenazi @ 2,828

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% turkish @ 5,741
2 100% kurd1 @ 6,150
3 100% uzbekistan-jew @ 6,655
4 100% kurd3 @ 6,959
5 100% armenian2 @ 7,212
6 100% azeri @ 7,676
7 100% kurd2 @ 8,215
8 100% iranian2 @ 8,369
9 100% iranian1 @ 9,030
10 100% turk-kayseri @ 9,553

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% iranian1 + 50% turk-kayseri @ 3,779
2 50% iranian1 + 50% turk @ 3,942
3 50% iranian1 + 50% turk-istanbul @ 4,075
4 50% turkish + 50% kurd1 @ 4,246
5 50% kurd1 + 50% turk-kayseri @ 4,353
6 50% turkish + 50% kurd3 @ 4,374
7 50% kurd1 + 50% armenian2 @ 4,382
8 50% turkish + 50% uzbekistan-jew @ 4,382
9 50% turkish + 50% kurd2 @ 4,508
10 50% kurd2 + 50% turk-kayseri @ 4,524

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% azerbaijan-jew + 33% iraq-jew + 33% yaghnobi @ 2,151
2 33% iranian-jew + 33% georgia-jew + 33% yaghnobi @ 2,652
3 33% assyrian + 33% iraqi-mandaean + 33% yaghnobi @ 2,917
4 33% assyrian + 33% assyrian + 33% yaghnobi @ 2,960
5 33% georgia-jew + 33% georgia-jew + 33% yaghnobi @ 2,980
6 33% georgia-jew + 33% azerbaijan-jew + 33% yaghnobi @ 2,992
7 33% iraqi-arab + 33% assyrian + 33% stalskoe @ 3,188
8 33% azerbaijan-jew + 33% iraq-jew + 33% pamiri-rushan @ 3,230
9 33% azerbaijan-jew + 33% iraq-jew + 33% pamiri-shughnan @ 3,350
10 33% kurd1 + 33% uzbekistan-jew + 33% turk-istanbul @ 3,353

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% azerbaijan-jew + 25% azerbaijan-jew + 25% iraq-jew + 25% pamiri-rushan @ 2,490
2 25% assyrian + 25% assyrian + 25% assyrian + 25% pamiri-rushan @ 2,580
3 25% assyrian + 25% assyrian + 25% iraqi-mandaean + 25% pamiri-rushan @ 2,654
4 25% kurd3 + 25% kurd3 + 25% kurd3 + 25% ashkenazy-jew @ 2,795
5 25% georgia-jew + 25% georgia-jew + 25% azerbaijan-jew + 25% pamiri-rushan @ 2,861
6 25% kurd2 + 25% kurd2 + 25% kurd2 + 25% ashkenazy-jew @ 2,926
7 25% georgia-jew + 25% georgia-jew + 25% georgia-jew + 25% pamiri-rushan @ 2,931
8 25% kurd2 + 25% kurd2 + 25% kurd2 + 25% ashkenazi @ 2,970
9 25% azerbaijan-jew + 25% azerbaijan-jew + 25% iraq-jew + 25% pamiri-shughnan @ 3,069
10 25% kurd3 + 25% kurd3 + 25% kurd3 + 25% sephardic-jew @ 3,080

**Leto** · 01-27-2022, 05:38 PM

Your father is pretty much a non-Arab. Basically a Kurd with some Assyrian and Anatolian shift.

Code:

Elias.99_father,22.63,0.54,0.24,0,10.59,7.32,2.51,1.05,14.66,0,40.37,0.07

Distance to:	Elias.99_father
3.11086805	Kurd_Kurmanji
3.47283746	Dersim_Turkey
4.88635856	Yazidi
5.29511095	Turkmen_Iraq
5.65049555	Azerbaijani_Republic
5.87049402	Azerbaijani_Iran
6.23084264	Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.24364477	Kurd_Sorani
6.27864635	Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.88227433	Turk_Southeast

Target: Elias.99_father
Distance: 1.5736% / 1.57361223 | ADC: 0.25x RC
79.3	Kurd_Kurmanji
15.6	Assyrian_North
5.1	Italian_Tuscany

Now that your father is tested and shows virtually no African, you can deduce how much African blood your mother has. A nice Arab world mix though (two opposite corners of it)

**Mejgusu** · 01-27-2022, 06:45 PM

Congratulations! Your father seems to be an East Med shifted Kurd. I always wanted to see a Mhallami result since their origin isn disputed.

**Arzanene** · 01-27-2022, 06:57 PM

eurogenes k13
elias_father,4.78,4.99,9.29,37.09,30.26,5.23,5.95, 0.00,0.00,1.29,0.00,0.23,0.90

Target: elias_father
Distance: 0.7918% / 0.79175524 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.4 Armenian_East
31.6 Kurd_Sorani
18.3 Kurd_Iran
6.8 Bulgarian_Southeastern
3.4 Tabasaran
0.9 Maya
0.6 Yoruban

Target: elias_father
Distance: 1.5468% / 1.54676417 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.7 Armenian_East
28.1 Lur
25.7 Kurd_Iran
10.5 Bulgarian_Southeastern

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alternate

Target: elias_father
Distance: 1.6781% / 1.67813528 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.8 Kurd_Iran
24.3 Assyrian_North
16.6 Circassian
8.3 Greek_Eastern_Thrace

Target: elias_father
Distance: 1.2587% / 1.25869672 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.6 Kurd_Iran
28.2 Assyrian_North
15.6 Circassian
6.6 Bulgarian_Southeastern
1.0 Maya

**Elias.99** · 01-28-2022, 09:37 PM

MDLP K16 DISTANCE
Distance to: muhammad
3.88916443 Assyrian_Turkey
3.91702693 Armenian_Gavar
4.00744308 Assyrian_Iraq
4.19479439 Armenian_Martuni
4.27478654 Azerbaijani_Jewish
4.39867025 Armenian_Dprabak
4.56238972 Armenian_Yegvard
5.03770037 Armenian_Yerevan
5.09297555 Armenian_Chambarak
5.29664988 Uzbekistani_Jewish
5.39561859 Kurdish_Jewish
5.43892453 Assyrians
5.73044501 Kurd
5.84668282 Yezid
5.84791416 Assyrian_WGA
6.79234128 Assyrian_Iran
6.82784739 Armenian_Erzrum
6.94315490 Georgian_Jewish
6.96746008 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan
6.97749239 Armenian-East
7.24129823 Armenians
7.33281665 Armenian_Lebanon
7.86211804 Iraki
8.01849113 Armenian-CentralArmenia
8.03441971 Azeri

MDLP K23B DISTANCE
Distance to: Muhammad
5.01535642 Zaza
5.36879875 Uzbekistani_Jew
5.38641810 Kurd_North
6.33186386 Kurd_East
6.36901091 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
6.54132250 Kurd_South
6.84937223 Kurd_Jew
6.98471904 Iraqi_Mandean
7.04961701 Azeri
7.28457960 Kurd
7.92765413 Azeri_Iran
7.94271994 Turkey_Azeri
7.99953124 Uzbek_Tashkent
8.11292179 Iranian_Jew
8.24627188 Iranian_Fars
8.27021765 Iraqi_Chaldean
8.40779400 Armenian_East
8.65721087 Turk_East
8.67145317 Baku_WGA
9.05051380 Assyrian_Iraqi
9.42537532 Turk_Adana
9.69940204 Jew_Tat
9.77248177 Georgian_Jew
9.96209817 Armenian_West
11.49836945 Turk_Kayseri

PuntDNAL K15 Distance
Distance to: Muhammad
5.21497843 Kurdish
7.84117338 Azerbaijani
8.65805983 Turk_Kayseri
8.87186564 Iranian
9.71555454 Turk_Istanbul
10.90953711 Armenian
10.98817546 Assyrian
13.21256977 Lebanese
14.83987871 Kumyk
15.21696422 Iraqi_Jew
15.46932448 Druze
15.68540723 Turk_Trabzon
15.95637804 Syrian
16.00731083 Palestinian
16.17089979 Balkar
16.89751461 North_Ossetian
17.34819875 Chechen
18.19433978 Jordanian
20.19192908 Cypriot
20.85027578 Lezgin
20.93733507 Abkhasian
21.23563044 Samaritian
22.39727662 Turkmen
23.31497373 Nogai
24.11725523 Tadjik

What conclusion can I take from this? His both sides of the family claim ancestry from Muhammad the prophet in Islam grandson Hussein and speak a variant of Arabic thats common in Southeast Turkey. Are they Non-arabs? Kurds? Kurds mixed with Assyrians?

**chinshen** · 01-28-2022, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Elias.99

MDLP K16 DISTANCE
Distance to: muhammad
3.88916443 Assyrian_Turkey
3.91702693 Armenian_Gavar
4.00744308 Assyrian_Iraq
4.19479439 Armenian_Martuni
4.27478654 Azerbaijani_Jewish
4.39867025 Armenian_Dprabak
4.56238972 Armenian_Yegvard
5.03770037 Armenian_Yerevan
5.09297555 Armenian_Chambarak
5.29664988 Uzbekistani_Jewish
5.39561859 Kurdish_Jewish
5.43892453 Assyrians
5.73044501 Kurd
5.84668282 Yezid
5.84791416 Assyrian_WGA
6.79234128 Assyrian_Iran
6.82784739 Armenian_Erzrum
6.94315490 Georgian_Jewish
6.96746008 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan
6.97749239 Armenian-East
7.24129823 Armenians
7.33281665 Armenian_Lebanon
7.86211804 Iraki
8.01849113 Armenian-CentralArmenia
8.03441971 Azeri

MDLP K23B DISTANCE
Distance to: Muhammad
5.01535642 Zaza
5.36879875 Uzbekistani_Jew
5.38641810 Kurd_North
6.33186386 Kurd_East
6.36901091 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
6.54132250 Kurd_South
6.84937223 Kurd_Jew
6.98471904 Iraqi_Mandean
7.04961701 Azeri
7.28457960 Kurd
7.92765413 Azeri_Iran
7.94271994 Turkey_Azeri
7.99953124 Uzbek_Tashkent
8.11292179 Iranian_Jew
8.24627188 Iranian_Fars
8.27021765 Iraqi_Chaldean
8.40779400 Armenian_East
8.65721087 Turk_East
8.67145317 Baku_WGA
9.05051380 Assyrian_Iraqi
9.42537532 Turk_Adana
9.69940204 Jew_Tat
9.77248177 Georgian_Jew
9.96209817 Armenian_West
11.49836945 Turk_Kayseri

PuntDNAL K15 Distance
Distance to: Muhammad
5.21497843 Kurdish
7.84117338 Azerbaijani
8.65805983 Turk_Kayseri
8.87186564 Iranian
9.71555454 Turk_Istanbul
10.90953711 Armenian
10.98817546 Assyrian
13.21256977 Lebanese
14.83987871 Kumyk
15.21696422 Iraqi_Jew
15.46932448 Druze
15.68540723 Turk_Trabzon
15.95637804 Syrian
16.00731083 Palestinian
16.17089979 Balkar
16.89751461 North_Ossetian
17.34819875 Chechen
18.19433978 Jordanian
20.19192908 Cypriot
20.85027578 Lezgin
20.93733507 Abkhasian
21.23563044 Samaritian
22.39727662 Turkmen
23.31497373 Nogai
24.11725523 Tadjik

What conclusion can I take from this? His both sides of the family claim ancestry from Muhammad the prophet in Islam grandson Hussein and speak a variant of Arabic thats common in Southeast Turkey. Are they Non-arabs? Kurds? Kurds mixed with Assyrians?

Kurds mixed with Assyrians is more likely.