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    1 Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism,
    so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.
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    2 The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we call "feelings of inferiority" and "over-socialization." Feelings of inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole,
    while oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.


    3By "feelings of inferiority" we mean not only inferiority feelings in the strictest sense but a whole spectrum of related traits:
    low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self-hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend to have such feelings (possibly more or less repressed)
    and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism.

    4 When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem.
    'this tendency is pronounced among minority rights advocates, whether or not they belong to the minority groups whose rights they defend.
    'they are hypersensitive about the words used to designate minorities. The terms "negro," "oriental," 'handicapped" or "chick" for an African, an Asian,
    a disabled person or a woman originally had no derogatory connotation. "Broad" and "chick" were merely the feminine equivalents of "guy," "dude" or "fellow."
    TIhe negative connotations have been attached to these terms by the activists themselves. Some animal rights advocates have gone so far as to reject the word "pet" and insist on its replacement
    by "animal companion." Leftist anthropologists go to great lengths to avoid saying anything about primitive peoples that could conceivably be interpreted as negative.
    'They want to replace the word "primitive" by "nonliterate." They seem almost paranoid about anything that might suggest that any primitive culture is inferior to our own.
    (We do not mean to imply that primitive cultures ARE inferior to ours. We merely point out the hypersensitivity of leftish anthropologists.)

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    5 Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect" terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person,
    but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from privileged strata of society.
    Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white males from middle-class families.

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    6 Many leftists have an sesitive identification with the problems of groups that have an image of twing weak (women defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) , or otherwise inferior.
    The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit it to themselves that they have such feelings,
    but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems.
    (We do not suggest that women, Indians, etc„ ARE inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology).

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    7 Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men.

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    8 Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality.
    The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth,
    but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist;
    whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization.
    Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

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    9 Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative", "enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary.
    The leftist is anti-individualistic, Pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs them, take care of them.
    He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs.
    The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.

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    10 Art forms that appeal to modern leftist intellectuals tend to focus on sordidness, defeat and despair, or else they take an orgiastic tone,
    throwing off rational control as if there were no hope of accomplishing anything through rational calculation and all that was left was to immerse oneself in the sensations of the moment.

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    11 Modern leftist philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative.
    It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined.
    But it is obvious that modern leftist philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge.
    They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs.
    For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power.
    More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e„ successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e. failed, inferior).
    The leftist's feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior.
    This also under-lies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests.
    Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others.
    Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual's ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is "inferior" it is not his fault, but societfs, because he has not been brought up properly.

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    12 The leftist is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor.
    This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong,
    and his efforts to make himself strong produce his unpleasant behavior. But the leftist is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as
    individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization or a mass movement with which he identifies himself.

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    13 Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc.
    These tactics may often effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.

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    14 Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principle, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type.
    But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power.
    Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help.
    For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms?
    Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action
    discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal.
    Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power.
    In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.

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    15 If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.

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    16 We emphasize that the foregoing does not pretend to be an accurate description of everyone who might be considered a leftist. It is only a rough indication of a general tendency of leftism.

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    “The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
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    “The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.”
    They support capitalism except when it comes to people choosing what to inhale/inject and how they lead their sex lives.

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    I agree with you in most of your thesis, its a good analysis, however a few subjects i do not agree with or not fully atleast:

    4: Those certain words you mention, some of them do have a negative Association for example niger, chink. Those terms were historically often used in a deaming manner or are just inaccurate. I am not opposed of using political correct terms in these cases like Native american instead of Indian,Sub Saharan African instead of black, i think handicapped is a neutral term though, a term like retard would be problematic in my book. No idea who would find chick offensive or pet, those people must have lost any sort of connection to reality.

    The word primitive could also be problematic as it seems to be a term that is judgemntal and vague, everything that is not up to our standards=primitive. They have a different lifestyle that is archaic, but the word primitive assumes it is something bad, something that should be something of the past and has no place in the modern world. But like you said, the useage of the term does not automatically mean that these are inferior, just in my personal opinion i would refrain from the world „primitive“ and call it archaic or ancient, hunter gatherer lifestyle, horticultural society etc.


    7: I am totally for an egalitarian society, ofcourse there are in many cases biological restrictions, woman simply have lesser muscle mass, woman have less strong thorax, boobs and thus weaker muscle mass in this region aswell. Anatomically there are differences, i aknowledge that. But i am still leaning for an approach to break societies gender roles and let each person prosper and develop the way they deem right, in that regards i think the idiotic special snowflake gendermadness could stop, simply because just being a certain sex does not mean you have any form of restriction, not in job, external expression or hobbies.


    9: I think society would be better if people would be less competitive and more altruistic especially in regards to the weaker ones, regardless of their gender, ethnicity or anything else really. Some people have it harder than others, sure some are lazy, but others have maybe some chemical inbalances that cause it, and these would should support as a society, not treat like they are incapable babies, but support them, encourage them, show them that we care about them.


    10: Cant say much about this thesis tbh. Do you have a specific example? I am somewhat against the prevelance and popularity of rap music amongst immigrants for example, as rap music strenghtens this whole ghetto feeling and encoruages such behavior and struggles almost.

    11: I partially agree with you on this one, leftists dismiss science and think science is something bad as it steems from the white mans view of world so to say. But i dont think there is any genetic difference that makes certain races or groups better than others. I do think if people get marginalized (for whatever reasons, some are brought by themselves though), that such people will not be able to prosper, but not because they are in some regard inferior, but because society and their uprising, mindset, maybe even culture is to blame

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    This whole kultur-marxism is a communist restoration in modern 21. century form.
    This blaming whites existed in the ex socialist block too, although it was not so significant than nowadays, but there were books about amerindian heroes who are fighting against the evil white american capitalists, every eastern european knows such names like Winnetou, Sitting Bull, Magua, Chingachgook. I have read my grandmom's old book, it was a soviet book about USA from 1970' years, and there the blacks were presented by victims of whites and basically i saw same narrative what modern left says about it, so the poor and opressed black and amerindian heroes vs white capitalists thing. It was part of anti-american narrative. Just like the cultural-relativism, i have read in other soviet book that there are no cultural differences in the eastern block there is only one culture the soviet, and everyone has soviet culture including czechs, hungarians, romanians, russians, kazakhs, yakuts etc who are basically "same" peoples.

    Political correctness also existed. In the communism everyone knew things what you could not talk about otherwise the black car brought you in the police station. In the 80' years they didn't do physical violence on you (it was rare), the red guards just talked with you a little bit that it's not okay to talking about some thing.

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    I voted affirmative on all 16. BTW the basic psychology behind the misery of the left, not the leadership that gains wealth and power, is pretty simple. The useful idiots are generally comprised of adults that were not the "cool" kids growing up. Be that cool, hip, popular, good looking, good grades, the athletes, the ones that had the parties that everyone wanted to go.

    And because they tend to be miserable and in order to feel good about yourself the most common reaction is to find someone else who is worse off or you make them worse off and bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    This whole kultur-marxism is a communist restoration in modern 21. century form.
    This blaming whites existed in the ex socialist block too, although it was not so significant than nowadays, but there were books about amerindian heroes who are fighting against the evil white american capitalists, every eastern european knows such names like Winnetou, Sitting Bull, Magua, Chingachgook. I have read my grandmom's old book, it was a soviet book about USA from 1970' years, and there the blacks were presented by victims of whites and basically i saw same narrative what modern left says about it, so the poor and opressed black and amerindian heroes vs white capitalists thing. It was part of anti-american narrative. Just like the cultural-relativism, i have read in other soviet book that there are no cultural differences in the eastern block there is only one culture the soviet, and everyone has soviet culture including czechs, hungarians, romanians, russians, kazakhs, yakuts etc who are basically "same" peoples.

    Political correctness also existed. In the communism everyone knew things what you could not talk about otherwise the black car brought you in the police station. In the 80' years they didn't do physical violence on you (it was rare), the red guards just talked with you a little bit that it's not okay to talking about some thing.
    The guy that wrote these thesis opposes communism and much as capitalism, he opposes the industrial revolution in total.

    "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.”

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    “In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one’s physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence and, most of all, simple OBEDIENCE.”

    “Modern man must satisfy his need for the power process largely through pursuit of the artificial needs created by the advertising and marketing industry,11 and through surrogate activities.”

    “Our use of mass entertainment is "optional": No law requires us to watch television, listen to the radio, read magazines. Yet mass entertainment is a means of escape and stress-reduction on which most of us have become dependent.”


    But I focused on his leftist criticism as I think its pretty accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    The guy that wrote these thesis opposes communism and much as capitalism, he opposes the industrial revolution in total.

    "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.”

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    “In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one’s physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence and, most of all, simple OBEDIENCE.”

    “Modern man must satisfy his need for the power process largely through pursuit of the artificial needs created by the advertising and marketing industry,11 and through surrogate activities.”

    “Our use of mass entertainment is "optional": No law requires us to watch television, listen to the radio, read magazines. Yet mass entertainment is a means of escape and stress-reduction on which most of us have become dependent.”
    Spengler predicted all of this 100 years ago.

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