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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Dont pretend to care about Russians. Btw where did you get used to use this retarded "we" instead of "I" and "me"?

    You know most of "pro russian" just support russia in the crazy hope they will get a russian girl one day.
    I care about estonian, latvians, ukrainians and many other who might dies for nothing.

    Just the inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What's the problem? Why do you think that whole World should have working "election-based Democracy" when new president comes every 4-5 years as a must? One of reasons it will be hard to become closer with USA in different common interests on long term is that even if everything gonna be ok if Trump's gonna be elected, it's gonna be JUST 4 YEARS and hell knows who's gonna come after him reverting politics 180 degrees.

    The only advantage of China is that Xi won't go away in near future, China has never been "big ally" of Russia like West sees it, it would be way more preferable to have a deal with European/American long term rulers.

    I used to like American Dems/Reps system as it used to be until end of 2000s. Actually it was united system producing new leaders, but they were barely rivals, no revolutions, hate, no divison, no ideology, just realpolitik. Now American politics turns into what they used to export for decades to the 3rd party countries, political opponents and plebs hate each other, ready to fight and literally kill the opponents.
    This is a version in English of a Spanish poem by Miguel Hernández.

    The Winds of the People

    The winds of the people carry me,
    the winds of the people blow me on,
    scattering this heart of mine
    and readying my throat.
    Oxen bow their heads,
    impotently weak,
    at their punishment:
    lions lift theirs
    and at the same time punish
    with their clamorous claws.

    I am not from a race of oxen,
    I am from a race that holds
    the mines of lions,
    the passes of eagles,
    and the ridges of bulls
    with pride in the horn.

    Oxen never prospered
    in the wastes of Spain.
    Who spoke of throwing a yoke
    over the neck of this race?
    Who ever yoked
    or hobbled a hurricane?
    or kept a lightning bolt
    a prisoner in a jail?

    Asturians of courage,
    Basques of armoured stone,
    Valencians of happiness
    and Castilians of soul,
    labouring like the earth
    graceful as wings;
    Amdalusians of lightning
    born among the guitars
    and forged on torrential
    anvils of tears;
    Estramadurans of rye,

    Galicians of rain and calm,
    Catalans of firmness
    Aragonese of lime,
    Murcians of dynamite
    fruitfully multiplied,
    Leonese, Navarrese, masters
    of hunger, sweat and the axe,
    kings of minerals,
    lords of the tilled soil,
    men who among the roots,
    like elegant roots,
    go from life to death,
    go from void to void:
    people of ill descent
    want to put yokes on you,
    yoke you must leave
    broken across their backs.

    The twilight of the oxen
    is the point of daybreak.
    Oxen die humble,
    clothed in the stink of stables;
    the eagles, the lions,
    the bulls, die with pride,
    and behind them the sky
    is un-darkened and endless.
    The agony of the oxen
    makes the spirit small,
    that of the wild creature
    enhances all creation.

    If I am dying, let me die
    with my head held high.
    Dead and twenty times dead,
    my mouth in the grass,
    I’ll keep my teeth clenched
    and my chin resolute.

    Singing I wait for death,
    for there are nightingales that sing
    above the fusillades
    and in the midst of battle.
    And this is an interview of Aldous huxley in which he said "The Ruled Will Actually Love Their Slavery".



    Answer yourself if you are still able of doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    You know most of "pro russian" just support russia in the crazy hope they will get a russian girl one day.
    Theres for sure some truth in it but since long time, Russia is investing in alt-right/neonazi circles. (Dimitri Utkin, Tucker Carlson etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    You know most of "pro russian" just support russia in the crazy hope they will get a russian girl one day.
    I care about estonian, latvians, ukrainians and many other who might dies for nothing.

    Just the inspiration.
    You are talking to yourself, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    This is a version in English of a Spanish poem by Miguel Hernández.



    And this is an interview of Aldous huxley in which he said "The Ruled Will Actually Love Their Slavery".



    Answer yourself if you are still able of doing so.
    Do you consider people who live out of states of western democracies without desire of revolutions to be slaves? You cant sell a revolution to me, for example. Why would I need to ruin my life for some bullshit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What's the problem? Why do you think that whole World should have working "election-based Democracy" when new president comes every 4-5 years as a must? ... it's gonna be JUST 4 YEARS and hell knows who's gonna come after him reverting politics 180 degrees.
    I don't agree with this nonsese system and it shpuld be eliminated IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    I don't agree with this nonsese system and it shpuld be eliminated IMO.
    Unluckily, most of modern European "leaders" are political pigmees and temporary managers.

    90% of the activity of elected politicians is populism, lies and efforts to show opponent as idiot. After elections they forget 90% of election program, their rating falls to 5% and plebs finds a new talking head

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Unluckily, most of modern European "leaders" are political pigmees and temporary managers.
    Leaders arent supposed to use powers, its not medieval anymore. And foreign relations depending on friendship of old men is a shame for nations. People can get a better one, if they decide to use their brains.

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    Kinda didnt mind Putin and agreed on many of his speeches, but getting rid of opposition like that is ridicolous. I kinda lost sympathy, whether Navalny was good or bad, this is next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    I don't agree with this nonsese system and it shpuld be eliminated IMO.
    Just because you don't like that system doesn't have to mean that you want what Mr. Putin & friends offers. Isn´t it?

    In the West maybe we have less and less way to influence the direction of the decisions of those in power, in Russia they have absolutely no way, no one dares to dissent and they end up accepting that the best thing is to simply not make noise, lower their heads and continue. with his own. "I am not interested in politics" (For the ancient Greeks those were the "idiots")

    That's all very well, until the decisions of those in power start to affect you directly and there is no way to do anything, and you will also look around for help and everyone will look the other way.

    If their way of thinking and doing things is imposed, there will be no way to implement any reform or find any third way, it will be the imposition even if there are two separate sides each one with its sphere of power.

    As at the beginning of the Cold War, individual freedom was totally repressed, on one side out of conviction and on the other simply because "individual freedoms would make us weak against our enemy."

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