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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    If that jewish dictator bombs his own population for the language they speak, id call it legit to intervene.

    but lets not start a 5 page discussion again about that
    I want to argue less and less about all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybele View Post
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    Yeah, the West try to use Navalny to benefit their interests, that Putin drowns and kills any possible opposition has nothing to do with Navalny collaborating with West..

    And Wikileaks, does not serve the interests of Russia, it only serves the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Most of recent planes lost are listed as fake even by Western sources, criticizing Ukrainian side to become not trustworthy for constant publishing of such messages.
    SU-35S losses turned out to be totally fake. Wartime propoganda is normal from both sides but ever since the war started the opposing propoganda has targeted this specific fighter jet for business reasons. It's the pride of RuAF currently and is the most technically advanced fighter in high numbers (SU-57 has low numbers). Chinese Air force despite having a local giant fighter aviation industry purchased it from Russia, Iran has ordered it in huge numbers (10 Bln USD deal), Indians are taking interest in it. It directly competes against French Rafale, EF-2000 of UK, and American F-15SE.

    Whenever there is news of SU-35S being "shot down", high chances exist that it is fake news.

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    Not sure why Russia is waiting so long to enter Odessa region, time is running out.
    They have the capacity to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I ... stay polite.
    Maybe the scenario you expect will come true in the next few days. The Ukrainians are preventing the collapse of the front with their reserves, the situation could be critical and we could be at a turning point which would favor increasingly rapid advances by the Russian army.

    If the Ukrainian defenses are ineffective and the front collapses, two scenarios should be considered: either the advantage is taken to continue to a "full victory", or once a position of power is achieved, a negotiation is offered on very beneficial terms for Russia.

    If there is negotiation, I hope that Ukraine accepts even though it has to eat its pride, because if all this goes ahead at any moment there would be the possibility that NATO or some NATO country on its own and not under NATO umbrella, would be forced to intervene directly, and this is the worst possible scenario for anyone.

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    119 Separate Brigade of territorial Defense of Ukraine announced the recruitment of a women's battalion in the Chernigov region. It is expected that it will include women from 16 to 30 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    119 Separate Brigade of territorial Defense of Ukraine announced the recruitment of a women's battalion in the Chernigov region. It is expected that it will include women from 16 to 30 years old.
    That seems to be a fake:

    29 February 2024 23:48
    The mentioned message talks about conducting classes with the civilian population, in particular, on the rules of handling weapons. It does not talk about recruiting girls to the 119th separate territorial defense brigade.
    according to the legislation of Ukraine, under martial law, men from 18 to 60 years old are considered liable for military service. In addition, the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi stated on December 19, 2023 that he would not sign the law on conscription of women.
    I guess you know why I put "conscription" in bold.

    That appeared times ago in X and telegram russian channels and it´strange to see it in supossedly serious newspaper like Pravda:

    Ukraine has announced the recruitment of a battalion of "Snow White" women

    The 119th separate brigade of territorial defence of Ukraine has announced the recruitment of a women's battalion in Chernihiv region. It is expected to consist of girls from 16 to 30 years old who will go to the front voluntarily.
    As in Telegram or X it was said that this was not possible in several answers,,, now in Pravda they add that to make believe that the law is just to save face but covertly it is allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    That seems to be a fake:







    I guess you know why I put "conscription" in bold.
    Territorial Defense normally functions in its home region/city/town, not on the frontline and they do not conscript people, they join voluntary. It just means they lack men down there, so they started accepting women to the TD.

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    There are manuals on the internet where anyone can see how disinformation works.

    Many times intentional fakes are posted on social networks, and the reaction of people in the comments is checked, if these "news" or "informations" are easily refuted or are unbelievable they are discarded, if they work they can end up going to the general media, with some changes to make them more credible.

    No, it is not only a Russian thing, it is widespread.

    Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

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