Russian forces cross Ukrainian border 22.02.2022 morning

[rothaer]

''Threat'' but how...

Yes, NATO is one thing but all with seriousness I hardly think that Putin really thinks that Ukraine - NATO would really threat or hit into Russia. Or if the does he should end to white soft round room. (...)

There is one thing that many people don't understand:

The balance of the nuclear threat is based on that someone that is attacked with nuclear weapons can strike back. This is even more important for an opponent to the USA, because the USA have as an official doctrine that they have the right to make a first nuclear strike against someone with nuclear arms if it seems suitable. This is why most nuclear powers have submarines that can launch nuclear missiles. If they can not be spotted and later strike back, this may be the only threat left, that prevents an opponent from nuking you away from the surface of earth. This is why the UK and France also have such submarines. Otherwise their nuclear weapons would just be a risk for themselves to be precautionary nuked.

Now, every effective defence against nuclear missiles, let it be the NATO rocket defense shield in Poland or the possibility to control the Russian air space in Europe from the Ukraine and so early detect Russian missiles for shooting them down, brings Russia closer to being precautionary nuked by the US. And exactly that danger is coming with American-promoted NATO "missions" in the Ukraine.

And all people that say that it's under no crircumstance okay to attack another souvereign state and that Putin because of that is a war criminal, I ask:

Why does no one say this about the USA and Kennedy in the Cuba crisis in 1962, when it was about exatctly the same thing, but the other way around? A lot of people in the US government suggested bombing and invading Cuba (a war crime then?) and Kennedy preferred a lighter response with a sea blockade of Cuba and he attacked Soviet submarines and forced them to come up with water bombs which was definitely an act of war (which could have escalted indifinitely). Where are the people calling Kennedy an aggressor and war criminal?

Btw. Putin has even more humor than Zelenski, the professional comedian. Putin recognised Lugansk and Donetsk republics as separate states, spoke exaggeratedly about a genocide and hypocritically called his troops sent there peace keeping troops. All exactly like the NATO did it in the deliberately started Kosovo war against late Yugoslavia (Serbia & Montenegro)! Wonderful!!! Everyone with some knowledge immediately connects this and of course the higher NATO personnel also does. And also here my question: Who calls these NATO individuals aggressors and war criminals today?

It's stunning how these double standards can be applied by mainstream western states and media and hardly anyone notices it.

[Arūnas]

Then convert it into a cathedral and fuck them very much

fully agreed, all those russian "orthodox churches" is just "pimp my ride" from mosques (hidden history)

[Crn Volk]

I'm well aware of their status and the negative reporting in the MSM of local Serbian moves. I'm also not against their independence or joining with Serbia proper. As I said, shooting shit up because of the current situation just reinforces the negative views held by the international community.

No need for shooting. A referendum in Republika Srpska and Republika Herceg-Bosna should do it.

[Peterski]

The balance of the nuclear threat is based on that someone that is attacked with nuclear weapons can strike back.

Indeed. And NATO has extremely efficient systems designed to intercept enemy nuclear missiles already in the air (or even to destroy them on the ground before they are launched). So in my opinion a NATO vs. Russia nuclear war would end in a total massacre of Russia, with minimal NATO casualties (NATO would lose maybe 2-3 cities destroyed - maybe Berlin, Paris and one U.S. city - a small price for making a big glass crater out of entire Russia with ALL of its cities...).

[Insuperable]

I'm well aware of their status and the negative reporting in the MSM of local Serbian moves. I'm also not against their independence or joining with Serbia proper. As I said, shooting shit up because of the current situation just reinforces the negative views held by the international community.

Don't mind Dušan. Things are nowhere close to any kind of shooting. It only seems to be going to that direction, albeit very far. The situation is being dealt with and negotiations are underway because there is no functioning government since last elections and new elections are about to happen this year. American ambassadors so far proposed a removal of ethnic labels as a solution to a problem in Bosnia.

[Crn Volk]

There is one thing that many people don't understand:

The balance of the nuclear threat is based on that someone that is attacked with nuclear weapons can strike back. This is even more important for an opponent to the USA, because the USA have as an official doctrine that they have the right to make a first nuclear strike against someone with nuclear arms if it seems suitable. This is why most nuclear powers have submarines that can launch nuclear rockets. If they can not be spotted and later strike back, this may be the only threat left, that prevents an opponent from nuking you away from the surface of earth. This is why the UK and France also have such submarines. Otherwise their nuclear weapons would just be a risk for themselves to be precautionary nuked.

Now, every effective defence against nuclear rockets, let it be the NATO rocket defense shield in Poland or the possibility to control the Russian air space in Europe from the Ukraine and so early detect Russian rockets for shooting them down, brings Russia closer to being precautionary nuked by the US. And exactly that danger is coming with American-promoted NATO "missions" in the Ukraine.

And to all people that say that it's under no crircumstance okay to attack another souvereign state and that Putin because of that is a war criminal, I ask:

Why does no one say this about the USA and Kennedy in the Cuba crisis in 1962, when it was about exatctly the same thing, but the other way around? A lot of people in the US government suggested bombing and invading Cuba (a war crime then?) and Kennedy preferred a lighter response with a sea blockade of Cuba and he attacked Soviet submarines and forced them to come up with water bombs which was definitely an act of war (which could have escalted indifinitely). Where are the people calling Kennedy an aggressor and war criminal?

Btw. Putin has even more humor than Zelenski, the professional comedian. Putin recognised Lugansk and Donetsk republics as separate states, spoke exaggeratedly about a genocide and hypocritically called his troops sent there peace keeping troops. All exactly like the NATO did it in the Kosovo war against Serbia! Wonderful!!! Everyone with some knowledge immedialtely connects this and of course the higher NATO personnel does it. And also here my question: Who calls these NATO individuals aggressors and war criminals today?

It's stunning how these double standards can be applied by mainstream western states and media and hardly anyone notices it.

Also, have they found those WMDs in Iraq yet?

[ixulescu]

Ukrainian defense estimates of the Russian losses for the day:

tanks - more than 30 units, armored combat vehicles - up to 130 units, aircraft - 5, helicopters - 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeHRkOkumXU

[Cybele]

moreover:
Ukrainian President announces general mobilization
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ussian-assault

Basically sending them on a suicidal mission.

[Smaug]

Putin being the aggressor he is. I am really sorry for Ukrainians.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Btw. Putin has even more humor than Zelenski, the professional comedian. Putin recognised Lugansk and Donetsk republics as separate states, spoke exaggeratedly about a genocide and hypocritically called his troops sent there peace keeping troops. All exactly like the NATO did it in the deliberately started Kosovo war against late Yugoslavia (Serbia & Montenegro)! Wonderful!!! Everyone with some knowledge immediately connects this and of course the higher NATO personnel also does. And also here my question: Who calls these NATO individuals aggressors and war criminals today?

It's stunning how these double standards can be applied by mainstream western states and media and hardly anyone notices it.